dunno how much of Lane's behavior at the pub was genuine tbh
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i thought it was pretty clear that he was putting on the expected show
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
laughed a lot at this episode. made me remember why i like this show.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
Lane's Playboy exploits were while the wife was back in blighty.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
the show is flirting with total farce this season, though getting away with it so far. i know there have been silly moments before but lane fighting pete was into utter ridicule.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
damn i forgot about lane's dad pwning him
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's safe to say Lane is probably the partner most intimately acquainted with physical violence
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
well a couple of them actually fought in various wars
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
and then there's Don/Dick's childhood.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
He was drunk and England had just won the World Cup, that was enough to shake him out of usual grouchy reservedness around his wife's friends.
Pretty much everything Laine did felt pitch-perfect for the character for me. Whatever he did with Don last season it was on their own time and didn't lose the agency a massive car account in the process.
(xpost - come on it's clearly Roger who's been in the most actual physical fights)
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Roger talks a lot but I suspect it's all talk. (see: mugging)
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
dude is a playboy through and through
it's clear he got treated like shit, I don't recall any physical abuse tho.
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
Duck vs. Don Draper was a fun fight
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
and Don is quite clearly not a fighter - drunk Duck whooped his ass.
xp
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
do u remember when don got blown up in korea
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
p sure that's an intimate acquaintance with violence!
yeah but w getting blown up tho
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
not punching a dude
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
;)
N. Korea punched him in the face iirc
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah I propose that avoiding getting hit by artillery and knocking a man on the ground with your fists are entirely different skills
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno if anybody else agrees but I was getting the impression they were doing some heavy foreshadowing with Pete heading toward some kind of breakdown: the Whitman references, being asked to bring his gun to the house (reminding us that he has it for the second or maybe third time this season), being belittled and humilated repeatedly ... I have a habit of reading too much into TV shows, but this seemed like the writers are setting up 'this guy will snap violently'. He seems incapable of enjoying what he does have, and is desperate for some kind of approval and acceptance which he sees others having but not him.
Is there anybody specific Cosgrove is meant to be? Or just as 'author who started out in advertising' a la Pynchon/DeLillo/Heller?
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link
it's clear he got treated like shit, I don't recall any physical abuse tho
he's mentioning that his father used to beat the crap out of him.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
pretty confident the writers aren't trying to draw any specific parallels with any of the characters (otoh I had no idea Pynchon, DeLillo, and Heller all started in advertising). I did wonder if his nom de plume was ever actually used but it doesn't look like it.
The Whitman/gun/frustrated Pete stuff def felt like foreshadowing to me but who knows.
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
ah right - that came up in reference to Sally, or something, I think? forgot about that.
could be foreshadowing something for two seasons from now tbh
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
pynchon didn't work in advertising. he was a technical writer for boeing.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
think u mean yoyodyne
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
can we stop misspelling Lane's name now plz
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, seeing a lot of "laine" and even some "layne"
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
like i said upthread, they'd hinted at it (Lane wanny smoochy Joan) before - but what i think put him over the top was the adrenaline rush of getting into a fight (and winning).
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall)
That and Joan tenderly brushing the hair from his face. Totally believable. I have platonic female friends who I occasionally have the urge to kiss.
A very funny episode. I would be all up for MM becoming a knockabout comedy with a deathmatch between two of the cast at the climax of each episode. They could do a spin-off Tekken-style Mad Men beat em up.
Also, in the previous ep I was kind of hoping that Don's fever dream would turn out to be real, and the rest of the season would revolve around him covering up a murder.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
me too (re: don's dream)
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
yes me too.
― jed_, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
WOW. incredible episode!
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
"england won the world cup!""cup of what?"
i love how lane just cannot maneuver around jaguar guy's conversation. "i was in the war, it was awful." "i'm so sorry.." "no, those were the best years of my life, really." i think the jaguar guy was just fucking with them.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
is it just me or have they just not established well why megan would have fallen for don? i mean i get in principle--he's handsome, brashly confident, sexy, successful--but i guess the actors don't have convincing chemistry?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
dark permanence thing really made me laugh
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
why does everybody need to be convinced so hard? is it because it is television? people don't act convincingly in real life.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
people act erratically and without apparent motive all the time imo.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
why does everybody need to be convinced so hard?
? have you not heard of the notion of two actors having chemistry?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno if it's the episodes themselves or just my particular view of it right now, but i feel like we're seeing some of the limitations of jon hamm the actor, or at least the conception of the don draper character by hamm and weiner et al. hamm almost has his speech patterns, gestures, tone of voice, etc. down too well.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
kartheiser is really the standout in this show -- it's not really a believable character in terms of verisimilitude of gesture, voice, etc. but it's a really interesting and absorbing creation just the same. especially true in this last episode.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I was reacting also to the "not convinced by Lane kissing Joan" and whatnot. Like if ever there was anything that portrayed people just doing stuff and stuff happening to them I think it's mad men. Episodes have themes, characters have arcs, but for the entire series, characters have done things for reasons we (at least I) can't fathom. I think it's neat.
I guess I've heard of actors having chemistry but I guess now that I think about it it's never something I've tried to observe critically or w/e. I think about the writing on this show a lot more than the acting.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
Now you've made me try to think of when I last actually NOTICED chemistry between romantic leads, and I think it was that Adjustment Bureau film with Slattery in it, between Matt Damon and Emily Blunt.
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link
i think chemistry is something we're more likely to consciously perceive in absence than in presence. when the story, behavior and dialogue seem to suggest that to characters are "passionate" about one another, but the performances don't convey this adequately, we notice the discontinuity. i don't notice any great chemistry between pare and hamm, but nor am i troubled by its absence. they do okay together, imo.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
[kartheiser's pete is] not really a believable character in terms of verisimilitude of gesture, voice, etc. but it's a really interesting and absorbing creation just the same.
otm. was saying something similar upthread. i never believe that pete is an actual human being or that he would excel in his corporate role, but he's a lot of fun to watch (and hate).
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
re: chemistry - it's important to remember that Don's ideal partner was set up as the psychologist woman and they would have been perfect and it felt like a huge letdown on Don's part to suddenly decide that he wanted to marry Megan. Like he was regressing to this simple, and totally hot, secretary. All credit to Pare this season for making Megan seem more than just a trophy who got promoted at work due to marrying the boss.
on top of that you have Don acting totally monogamous and - shockingly- pretty together, which i think we all assume is just a ruse.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
I think that even with Megan being a modern girl in 1966 she probably wouldn't feel in too much of a position to be rejecting the proposal of this guy she likes a lot even if he's maybe not her absolute DREAM GUY? And on Don's side, he's in the classic position of being in a relationship with someone because they're Good For You, and she evidently is in many ways, but that makes it a p fragile partnership from his side of things.
― michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago) link