david brooks vs. thomas friedman vs. ross douthat

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i assume that brooks and douthat have a sinister purpose behind everything they write, so while i no doubt disagree, it at least makes sense.

friedman just seems clueless and is a terrible writer. 'my cab driver in cairo' etc good lord.

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

well the clueless head in the clouds thing is what makes it marginally more defensible, like he's just this crazy guy talking to you on the bus

iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Friedman the crazy guy on the bus talking nonsense whilst drooling on his overcoat also has the ear of the President and a shockingly large number of Democratic movers and shakers. that's why i voted for him.

a big fat fucking fat guy in a barrel what could be better? (Eisbaer), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'll be the contrarian and say Douthat, the only one who creates the blip of an impression that he's read other things besides editorials and policy statements. Also, I saw him in the queer part of Dupont Circle in 2009 in the company of what looked like a Provincetown bartender.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ sounds like infidelity

also, aren't we voting for the worst?

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes

iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Friedman's latest column is a masterpiece of cowardice and stupidity:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/opinion/friedman-one-for-the-country.html?_r=1

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'll vote for Friedman as worst because he's taken most seriously. The right wing doesn't even take Brooks seriously.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

voted Douthat cause i hate the way he couches intolerant/ugly sentiments in the deceptive rhetoric of "reason" and "balance"

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

alfred OTM on what makes Friedman the worst of this entire sorry lot.

a big fat fucking fat guy in a barrel what could be better? (Eisbaer), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Brooks would win on photos alone

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

ross is "known" in conservative circles for his impeccable sense of style

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Friday, 20 April 2012 00:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

douthat's face def bothers me the most

iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

motherfucker just looks SOFT

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

brooks is the worst. friedman is ok minus the globalization shtick.

bnw, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Douthat looks like a late 30-something version of Paul Dano's character from the extra man.

a big fat fucking fat guy in a barrel what could be better? (Eisbaer), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Douthat still thinks it's 1995.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jonah Goldberg has the same delusion.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was hoping this thread title was something that happened.

goole, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

what is douthat's shtick, as compared to brooks' red/blue staters are like *this* and friedman's absurd metaphors that lead nowhere?

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

He's a Christian whose hands shake at the suspicion that libs might think he hates gays and women.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

he's not one of those republican extremists - heavens - tho he takes pains to diplomatically point out how liberals/women/gays/muslims/etc bring problems on themselves

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's right

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

a concern troll then; how innovative

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

if forced at gunpoint to read one of the three every day for the rest of my life i'd still choose douthat

friedman... just pull the trigger

yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

your doppelganger

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

while we also talk about their merits as writers, how about we also turn this into a MFK thread?

yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

when i was working a (very good and non-depressing) temp job at a financial planning group, the well meaning 50 something jewish libs frequently discussed friedman columns in reverent hushed tones... first time i'd ever heard anyone irl bring dude up as a serious columnist

yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

voted Douthat cause i hate the way he couches intolerant/ugly sentiments in the deceptive rhetoric of "reason" and "balance"

― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:48 PM (43 minutes ago)

^^

pleural eff u son (k3vin k.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

i still find that less distasteful (or at least more garden variety) than friedman's schtick

yologram (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

all three are vile of course

NYT doesn't really have any 'very good' writers as columnists. i mean krugman's always worth a read but even following charles m blow on twitter has tempered my like of him

pleural eff u son (k3vin k.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

krugman is a very good writer

iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'd heard that 'from beirut to jerusalem' was good, but find it a little hard to credit now -- perhaps the subject matter restrained him from making it an archetypical global fable, as with everything else?

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i changed my mind after i wrote his name and didn't bother to change my first statement haha xp

pleural eff u son (k3vin k.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

charles m blow seems ripe for display name puns, now that i think of it

pleural eff u son (k3vin k.), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

The late William Safire was the only one who could occasionally write a sentence I'd read twice.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

i agree that krugman is worth reading and i always do but i am often smh at the way he seems to be preaching to the choir, he takes such a hard line that even though he's right he sort of paints himself into an ideological corner that just inflames the right instead of engaging him

obv that's not entirely or even largely his fault but i feel like he's wielding a battle axe when should be using the rapier

the late great, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol ross douchehat

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

brooks is like the bill gates looking dude in the back of newsweek who even though i am on the other side of the political spectrum i find myself agreeing with or at least appreciating the differing view cause his tone is measured

really love the loyal opposition guy though

the late great, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Krugman has given up on trying to talk w/ the shit-throwing baboons who call themselves conservatives these days. i don't blame him at all, it's really the most sensible approach.

i'll also stan for Nicholas Kristof.

a big fat fucking fat guy in a barrel what could be better? (Eisbaer), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Krugman is a classic example of a pundit with whom I agree often but whose prose is pedestrian at best (boy, does he love his rhetorical questions).

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

douthat = least stupid/ most hateful

it's smdh time in America (will), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

krugman = shrill
brooks/douthat = reasonable

does this perception hurt k-thug or not?

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

friedman at the very least seems interested in interesting things

it's smdh time in America (will), Friday, 20 April 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha otm

iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

interested in reducing them to a catch phrase?

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

THE WORLD IS NOT FLAT; SHUT UP

mookieproof, Friday, 20 April 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^haha fair enough. still, the other two (esp Douthat) are kind of just dicks. if you're going to be a dick, you'd better be right and/ or interesting

it's smdh time in America (will), Friday, 20 April 2012 02:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel like I could get thomas friedman to change his mind on a lot of things if you just framed it in the 'interesting thoughts about interesting things' way, and maybe if you dressed up a a taxi driver

iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

"what if universal health care...was an app?"

iatee, Friday, 20 April 2012 02:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

now only NPR's Robert Siegel can be in a room without gates covering the window.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 February 2014 03:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

kristol was a bigger hack than either (truly a feat), but more useful. you could read him and get some idea of 'here's what these morons think',

^ yup

condo associations are people my friend (will), Friday, 7 February 2014 03:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

a role played on cable news by "Morning Joe"

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 February 2014 03:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

rare to find two generations of finks but Irving and Bill were, god bless'em.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 February 2014 03:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

morning joe is 'reasonable conservative' plus beltway politico type crap right? i watch live with kelly and michael myself. sean hannity is the one to listen to if you want to know what these fuckers think today, rush limbaugh is the one to listen to if you want to know what these fuckers will think tomorrow, george noory is the one to listen to if you want to know what these fuckers will think twenty years from now.

balls, Friday, 7 February 2014 04:04 (9 months ago) Permalink

Barack Obama is who you listen to when these morons get it.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 February 2014 04:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

plus he indulges in the kind of dumb social pseudoscience and ted talk worthy ideas that malcolm gladwell and a good half dozen ilxors truck in.

― balls, Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:35 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

name names

lag∞n, Friday, 7 February 2014 04:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

\o

, Friday, 7 February 2014 04:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

Surely it's more than 6. At least 8, maybe 9

, Friday, 7 February 2014 04:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

a bakers half dozen

lag∞n, Friday, 7 February 2014 04:38 (9 months ago) Permalink

hey side note what is the deal with bakers not being able to count

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Friday, 7 February 2014 04:45 (9 months ago) Permalink

Bakers are only good at counting dough

, Friday, 7 February 2014 04:46 (9 months ago) Permalink

youre thinking of bankers

lag∞n, Friday, 7 February 2014 04:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

balls OTM re: Brooks

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 7 February 2014 14:35 (9 months ago) Permalink

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/02/bill-kristol-joins-abc-news-182527.html

Facepalm. leaving Fox to join George Stephanopolis.

Bill Kristol: Palin Would Be 'Formidable' Presidential Candidate said yesterday on Morning Joe...
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Sarah-Palin-Bill-Kristol-politics-Joe-Scarborough/2014/02/06/id/551314

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 February 2014 16:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

It should say 'rejoin" -- he was a nineties staple.

I heard that fool praise Palin yesterday morning when flipping through cable news and nearly yarfed into my oatmeal.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 February 2014 16:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

when you guys are saying "editorial page" you are referring to the op-eds, right? because the times editorial page ain't bad

k3vin k., Friday, 7 February 2014 16:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah, poor phrasing on my part

balls, Friday, 7 February 2014 18:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

acc to the article linked the reporters don't like the op-eds or the editorial page

Mordy , Friday, 7 February 2014 18:25 (9 months ago) Permalink

balls, Friday, 7 February 2014 19:40 (9 months ago) Permalink

Murgatroid, that link is priceless.

Aimless, Friday, 7 February 2014 19:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

god the suffering that you have to be willing to endure to put something like that together

balls, Friday, 7 February 2014 19:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

"All my life I’ve been a successful pseudo-intellectual."

marcos, Friday, 7 February 2014 20:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

his lack of self awareness is breathtaking.

nothing a reincarnated ronnie james dio couldn't fix (brimstead), Friday, 7 February 2014 21:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

Said forty seconds ago on NPR: "This is the problem with democracies. If we lived in a country run by elites, which I believe we should, we would" etc

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 February 2014 21:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

woooowwwww

lag∞n, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:59 (9 months ago) Permalink

he shd be murdered not because he deserves it or anything just as a prank

lag∞n, Friday, 7 February 2014 22:02 (9 months ago) Permalink

"I was speaking out in Minnesota — my hometown, in fact — and a guy stood up in the audience, said, 'Mr. Friedman, is there any free trade agreement you’d oppose?' I said, 'No, absolutely not.' I said, 'You know what, sir? I wrote a column supporting the CAFTA, the Caribbean Free Trade initiative. I didn’t even know what was in it. I just knew two words: free trade.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/opinion/sunday/friedman-start-up-america-our-best-hope.html

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 16 February 2014 08:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

"speaking out"

i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 16 February 2014 18:31 (9 months ago) Permalink

Minnesota isnt a town iirc

lag∞n, Sunday, 16 February 2014 18:41 (9 months ago) Permalink

it's a village

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2014 18:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

it takes a village to create friedmans

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 February 2014 18:52 (9 months ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

unfuckingbelievable

zombie formalist (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

spiritual experiments led by the charismatic and the zealous are essential to religious creativity and fruitful change. From the Franciscans to the Jesuits, groups that looked cultlike to their critics have repeatedly revitalized the Catholic Church, and a similar story can be told about the role of charismatic visionaries in the American experience. (The enduring influence of one of the 19th century’s most despised and feared religious movements, for instance, is the reason the state of Utah now leads the United States on many social indicators.)

challenge for ross douthat: name fruitful change or innovation resulting from outliers jim jones, reverend moon, l-ron hubbard, chas manson

zombie formalist (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

this column is formulaic recycling, cherry-picked from others work (a time honored and lazy journalistic ploy when the till is empty come deadline). no surprise that douthat quotes philip jenkins who dismissed the 70s cult phenomena as hysteria fueled by secular media. i think jenkins argument is disingenuous and politically motivated. what's forgotten in this revisionist argument is the extreme psychological manipulation that was a defining characteristic of 70s-style charismatic cults. the human toll, lives ruined and personalities exploded, not to mention the suicide victims in jonestown who douthat somehow never mentions.

zombie formalist (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

what has happened, from the post-moon unification church to the second-string cult a relative of mine is involved with, seems to be a backing off from the sick controlling nature of the groups (due to decades of bad publicity) and a subsequent mainstreaming of former fringe elements.

zombie formalist (m coleman), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

Thiel’s argument is broader: Not only religious vitality but the entirety of human innovation, he argues, depends on the belief that there are major secrets left to be uncovered, insights that existing institutions have failed to unlock (or perhaps forgotten), better ways of living that a small group might successfully embrace.

This means that every transformative business enterprise, every radical political movement, every truly innovative project contains some cultish elements and impulses — and the decline of those impulses may be a sign that the innovative spirit itself is on the wane. When “people were more open to the idea that not all knowledge was widely known,” Thiel writes, there was more interest in groups that claimed access to some secret knowledge, or offered some revolutionary vision. But today, many fewer Americans “take unorthodox ideas seriously,” and while this has clear upsides — “fewer crazy cults” — it may also be a sign that “we have given up our sense of wonder at secrets left to be discovered.”

correct implication to draw, that the tech-startup boom has evidently been trying to exploit our latent willingness to follow cults, and that 'managerial capitalism' is becoming (again) a cult that increasingly permeates all interactions at all levels of society

j., Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

we have given up our sense of wonder at secrets left to be discovered, families left to be abandoned, life savings left to be handed over.

lag∞n, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 13:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

new flavors of kool-aid to have people wonder whether we have drunk

j., Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

Ross DO THAT

calstars, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

ross DOUBT IT

lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

fuck douting a hat

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 02:54 (1 month ago) Permalink


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