I need some catching up! (avant-garde classical music)

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Try telling that to Jonathan Harvey, whose expansion of the orchestra into the realms of electronics makes music that is definitively contemporary and immeasurably timeless, or to Thomas Adès, whose writing creates visions of musical possibility that are new for today, or for any time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/apr/26/five-myths-contemporary-classical-music

such a crappy piece of writing, but in a good cause

there is so much bad writing about avant-garde classical music ... soooo much!

sarahell, Friday, 27 April 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link

I saw a fantastic performance of Morton Feldman's Why patterns? last night.

pizza pizza and cult jam (crüt), Friday, 27 April 2012 00:36 (eleven years ago) link

awesome crüt!

i think feldman's reputation is pretty secure cuz he is still regularly performed/discussed in a way some of the darmstadt crowd probably aren't

Balderdash.

ogmor, Friday, 27 April 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link

is there a classic piece making the case for the avant garde, or experimental music/listening more widely?

ogmor, Friday, 27 April 2012 01:01 (eleven years ago) link

feldman is, seems to be sui generis in a way many of the less heralded europeans like maderna or barraqué or pousseur aren't, but there's a lot of interesting stuff there

B-)
i'm looking for an appeal to the uninitiated, contra babbit

ogmor, Friday, 27 April 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

you mean like a tom service but not like tom service? idk i cant think of anything offhand

theres an amusing piece with daniel barenboim in yesterdays guardian making the case for boulez as a worthy companion to beethoven, conductors and performers are usually better advocates for the unfortunately term 'new music' than writers (thinking of ppl like ricardo chailly or ian pace)....else you could all the way back to adorno &c

My best friend from elementary school is a big deal avant garde classical composer. In fact, he just was awarded a guggenheim fellowship.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 27 April 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link

http://youtu.be/JrBJdIvRwz8

this is nice

Lowell N. Behold'n, Friday, 27 April 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link

love the sentiment of "Who Cares If You Listen?"

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 April 2012 06:03 (eleven years ago) link

it wld render the noxious pseudo demography of audience ish that's so common kind of redundant

ogmor, Friday, 27 April 2012 11:36 (eleven years ago) link

it's like a counter to "the plain reader be damned"

seapunk run. run punk run! (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 April 2012 11:42 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't like the Grauniad piece because it only really seeks to paint a picture of contemporary classical as a sort of hip sidecar adjunct to pop; it's full of "b-b-but the ideas of composer X can be heard radiating through to the work of Guardian-reader-friendly-rock act Y"-type getout clauses.

yeah, that aspect of it reads like marketing rather than criticism.

sarahell, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link

I think Service's piece is great and only briefly does it touch upon pop culture

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 27 April 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link


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