Death of monoculture in a world where 900 million people all use the same social network site.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ha, fair point. I'm just kind of riffing, I guess.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
But I mean, even a "social networking site" isn't really the same thing as everyone choosing from the same handful of radio formats or programmes from a few TV networks. For all of Facebook's faults, it is still much more individualized and participatory than those media.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
the site can be viewed simply as a frame, tool or medium though. like facebook itself isn't the whole of facebook culture, rather it enables the creation of subculture. all facebook users aren't engaged with the same things in the way that all telvision viewers were 50 years ago. otoh, it's hard to deny that facebook funnels different cultures into a kind of uniform equivalence, routinizes cultural variety and consumability so that it becomes a new kind of monoculture.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's a different kind of monoculture. It has to do with how it intrudes on the real world, how you can be driving a car or having lunch and your phone gets hit with a notification and you instinctively zip to the site. It has to do with what what other online services are easily integrated into that framework, shaping your satellite web browsing efforts. Even my friends that are all "Ew! Instagram bought by FB!" still check FB for comments on their photos, etc.
The culture represented on there is a bigger net, and maybe more fragmented, but then again those fragments are all themselves now little monocultures. Whereas maybe in the past you had a good number of outliers, nerds, fanboys, etc, that sort of resided on the fringe of monoculture, now they have 100k groups, fan campaigns, etc, all under the watchful eye of FB.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Facebook is not a culture, come on. No more than "Windows 97" is a culture. It's just one of several means to an end.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
That is, it's a tool, an adjunct to the web at large. But I don't see it as more than a mere (albeit pervasive) component of a bigger machine.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Windows 97 got out of your face as soon as you fired up doom.exe though, Facebook's schtick is to be always there, part of your internet HUD.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Facebook is more like TV than like TV shows
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Facebook is the end product of a long slog of blogs figuring out ways to connect and make connecting feel like fun, which suddenly metastized into a paradigm* - now you can express the same enjoyment of a random thought as of a pre-released single, as of a blog post, as of someone growing a melon on Farmville.
*Hello yes I am Grant Morrisonning a bit here.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Maybe. But it's a weird feeling when you don't use it for a while and then at a party people are connecting over some post made a few days ago and you have no idea what's going on.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Kony thing, surely, is a good example of FB monoculture.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, but that could just as well be a major news story of the day. the fragmentation of the old "monoculture" isn't disproven by the fact that certain things are still shared among a lot of people.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
kony is more an example of the ways in which social networking contributes to mainstream culture, but that's not exactly the same thing as monoculture
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
If you think this is in any way comparable to the way people bought Thriller or watched The Cosby Show, we understand monoculture very differently.
I mean, there are still things, like Apple or Starbucks products, that 'everyone' purchases but I do think there's a difference.
Are kids as cliquish as they used to be wrt 'goths', 'jocks', 'punks', etc? My sense was no?
I also thought that between Harry Potter and Mark Zuckerberg, 'nerdiness' might be less stigmatized than it used to be. Big Bang Theory might or might not disprove me.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh, I guess they have hipsters and emos and stuff.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think nerds who are not billionaires/don't have magic powers still get shit
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
if anything harry potter and zuckerberg have just raised ppls expectations of what a good nerd should be
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
If you think this is in any way comparable to the way people bought Thriller or watched The Cosby Show, we understand monoculture very differently.
and those things relative to edward r. murrow's WWII coverage, the ed sullivan show, etc...
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Harry Potter was a monoculture moment, for sure. But Facebook, I mean ... 900 million users I bet is not really 900 million "users," you know? It's like being in the phone book, but I wouldn't have considered the Yellow Pages monocultural (is that a word?).
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's some kind of shared cultural thing of people just throwing the yellow pages directly into the trash as soon as they get it, because hardly anyone uses it anymore, but that's really like 'i know, amirite' hack stand-up material more than 'where were you when twin towers fell'
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
First heard about it on Buzzfeed. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have seen it on facebook or, if I had, clicked through.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
its hard to be mad at generation z the world theyve inherited or will inherit is a garbage pit
i hate all other generations equally
― Lamp, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think gen z is the 2nd worst generation because they contain the genes of gen x
― iatee, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Young voters gonna stay home
― curmudgeon, Monday, May 7, 2012 9:47 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
n terms of policies and priorities, the group appears more right of center than imagined. Almost four in 10 believe cutting taxes is key to growth. Just 19 percent think government spending is the answer. And those who believe health insurance is a right dropped from 61 percent in 2008 to 43 percent in 2012.
The top-10 issues ranked in importance for this cohort were creating jobs, reducing the deficit, lowering the tax burden for all, becoming energy-independent, ensuring affordable access to health care, creating a world-class education system, addressing Social Security, preventing the spread of terrorism, protecting individual liberties from government, and preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. Combating the impacts of climate change fell near the bottom of the list.
4 years later, this must be a completely new batch of kids.
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
reposting this here ...
is this a common millenial thing?
― sarahell, Monday, 7 May 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
A lot of the 21-24-year-olds in my grad program asked if their parents could come to our poster presentation today. Getting drinks after class. Hold on, gotta text mom to let her know where I'm at! I mean I love my mom and all but sheesh.
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
i actually think this is maybe a good topic for its own thread. it's certainly something i've thought a lot about. in some ways i'm a normative gen y'er in that regard. i've always talked to my parents once a day (at one point in high school that went down to once a week, but even that is frequent by some other generational standards). these days i actually see my parents every day bc i work in my father's company. we have dinner w/ them twice a week and see them at communal religious events etc. at the same time, i went away to boarding school at 14 and haven't lived in my parent's house (except for 6 months between yeshiva and college) since. i think some of this is cultural/ethnic/religious baggage, but some of it is probably generational baggage too. after all my parents are quintessential boomers and very hands on (and really would be so much more involved in the intricate details of my life if I didn't set hard limits). still, it's very nice to have strong family bonds and i talk to my siblings (2 brothers + sister) every day too, I also work with one of my three first cousins and my grandmother, and these aren't relationships that are interfering with other social attachments either. so idk how to adequately unpack this, or even if i could. obviously it's unique in terms of modern family constructs, but not historically unique in the least.
― Mordy, Monday, 7 May 2012 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm not like this but i know people who are. didn't think it was some generational thing but it's fucking ridiculous to condemn it either way
hundreds of thousands of kids in group homes, foster care, abusive situations, and some douche writer is going to complain about millennials being friends with their parents, ugh
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
ha true, with 2,000 extra words of lit crit thrown in
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
full disclosure i did not read a word of that article past the title
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
She's romanticizing the Dickensian orphan and Moll Flanders to say no to helicopter parents.
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
the helicopter parent thing is so exaggerated though. i know it's the #1 thing teachers love to complain about, but they would all probably admit that these parents are rare. when you have one or two parents out of 120+ calling you every other day, they're the ones that are gonna stick out.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was born in 1979 and I was the guy who screamed at my dad every time he called freshman year until he stopped calling me. I never moved back home other than a single summer. My brother, born 1984, still lives at home. I'm sure this in part reflects economic circumstances -- find a job that pays the rent is a dicier proposition starting out now. If it's generational in any other way, I'm not sure what the mechanism is, but it does seem curious.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah man for real I wld much rather have a student w/a helicopter parent than the mom I tried to call the other day whose voicemail message said, "If you're trying to get hold of me, I don't give a fuck." ;_;
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
TBH though I'm sometimes not sure if the benefits are so great. Ok, so I'm my own man. I'm the protagonist of my own boring story. So what.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
I talk to my Mum at least once a week via email and maybe every 2 weeks/or at least once a month via skype...but that's more bcs of being away. But if I leaved nearby I'm sure I would spend a lot of time with them. Hell my sister is only a few years younger and she probably drops in on Mum & dad every day.
And it's not so much that they expect it, or ask us to do that. It's more that they *allow* it? or they've set up a pretty open, friendly kind of dynamic where it's not an obligation, it's just something we all want to do. We like being home, it's nice to sit down and have a cup of tea or dinner with them.
and at least with my own parents we can go a while without much contact and it's still cool. it's pretty nice.
but maybe that's not quite what that article is talking about, so maybe this is tl:dr haha
My inlaws are a little more needy, and definitely ask Mr Veg to come over for dinner pretty much every Sunday. But it's still a very pleasant thing, it doesn't seem that unhealthy to me.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Her seminar paper had been unimpressive: Indeed it was one of those for which the epithet "gobsmackingly incoherent" might seem to have been invented.
it would probably be impossible to keep anyone capable of writing this sentence far enough away from a position teaching literature
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't see how you can teach Richardson and not love the gobsmackingly incoherent.OH RICHARDSON BURN
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno, whenever i use "gobsmackingly incoherent" i feel like maybe the scenario isn't gobsmacking or incoherent enough, so i sort of get it
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
My experience kind of relates to Hurting's -- I stayed at my parents' place over some college summers to (presumably) save cash, though, and relied on them in a tough situation a couple times since. But when I wasn't directly in their home, I probably talked to my parents once or twice a week for most of my 20s. When I was in college, it was even less often -- I think I'd go a couple weeks between phone calls, sometimes.
The situation and dynamic is a lot different, but my sister (born 1984) and mom are like best friends and talk multiple times daily. They were both going through some mediocre times when my sister was in her late teens and kind of bonded and have been close since.
I think it has a lot more to do with our different personalities and situations, but it's interesting that I was born in '81 and my sister in '84 and that's around the time of part of the millenial split according to some.
― mh, Monday, 7 May 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
"gobsmackingly incoherent" is kind of the perfect way to smack down a phd paper
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
(she is referring to a phd student in that paragraph)
i would like to see an article asking parents of millenials how often they talk to their adult children and why
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm so glad there were no cell phones when i was in high school and university
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Before he moved to Maryland, my brother saw my parents (socially, I see my dad daily since we work together) way more than I do. I have nothing against them, but I don't feel a need to share my private life or go out of my way to eat dinner at 5:15, etc.. (brother born in '75, me '81)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
which could well be because I have to see at least one of them on the daily
I live about three miles from my parents. We speak about twice a week and it's been a habit since my niece was born (Mom babysits her) to stop by after work for at least an hour to hang out with Mom and her before sis picks her up. I'll usually stay long enough for a drink.
My parents aren't my bros but we enjoy each other's company -- more so the older I've gotten and our time together turns into the center of an hourglass. It isn't at all unusual for my friends' parents to know each other either.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink