Young voters gonna stay home
― curmudgeon, Monday, May 7, 2012 9:47 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
n terms of policies and priorities, the group appears more right of center than imagined. Almost four in 10 believe cutting taxes is key to growth. Just 19 percent think government spending is the answer. And those who believe health insurance is a right dropped from 61 percent in 2008 to 43 percent in 2012.
The top-10 issues ranked in importance for this cohort were creating jobs, reducing the deficit, lowering the tax burden for all, becoming energy-independent, ensuring affordable access to health care, creating a world-class education system, addressing Social Security, preventing the spread of terrorism, protecting individual liberties from government, and preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. Combating the impacts of climate change fell near the bottom of the list.
4 years later, this must be a completely new batch of kids.
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
reposting this here ...
is this a common millenial thing?
― sarahell, Monday, 7 May 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
A lot of the 21-24-year-olds in my grad program asked if their parents could come to our poster presentation today. Getting drinks after class. Hold on, gotta text mom to let her know where I'm at! I mean I love my mom and all but sheesh.
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
i actually think this is maybe a good topic for its own thread. it's certainly something i've thought a lot about. in some ways i'm a normative gen y'er in that regard. i've always talked to my parents once a day (at one point in high school that went down to once a week, but even that is frequent by some other generational standards). these days i actually see my parents every day bc i work in my father's company. we have dinner w/ them twice a week and see them at communal religious events etc. at the same time, i went away to boarding school at 14 and haven't lived in my parent's house (except for 6 months between yeshiva and college) since. i think some of this is cultural/ethnic/religious baggage, but some of it is probably generational baggage too. after all my parents are quintessential boomers and very hands on (and really would be so much more involved in the intricate details of my life if I didn't set hard limits). still, it's very nice to have strong family bonds and i talk to my siblings (2 brothers + sister) every day too, I also work with one of my three first cousins and my grandmother, and these aren't relationships that are interfering with other social attachments either. so idk how to adequately unpack this, or even if i could. obviously it's unique in terms of modern family constructs, but not historically unique in the least.
― Mordy, Monday, 7 May 2012 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm not like this but i know people who are. didn't think it was some generational thing but it's fucking ridiculous to condemn it either way
hundreds of thousands of kids in group homes, foster care, abusive situations, and some douche writer is going to complain about millennials being friends with their parents, ugh
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
ha true, with 2,000 extra words of lit crit thrown in
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
full disclosure i did not read a word of that article past the title
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
She's romanticizing the Dickensian orphan and Moll Flanders to say no to helicopter parents.
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
the helicopter parent thing is so exaggerated though. i know it's the #1 thing teachers love to complain about, but they would all probably admit that these parents are rare. when you have one or two parents out of 120+ calling you every other day, they're the ones that are gonna stick out.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was born in 1979 and I was the guy who screamed at my dad every time he called freshman year until he stopped calling me. I never moved back home other than a single summer. My brother, born 1984, still lives at home. I'm sure this in part reflects economic circumstances -- find a job that pays the rent is a dicier proposition starting out now. If it's generational in any other way, I'm not sure what the mechanism is, but it does seem curious.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah man for real I wld much rather have a student w/a helicopter parent than the mom I tried to call the other day whose voicemail message said, "If you're trying to get hold of me, I don't give a fuck." ;_;
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
TBH though I'm sometimes not sure if the benefits are so great. Ok, so I'm my own man. I'm the protagonist of my own boring story. So what.
― Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
I talk to my Mum at least once a week via email and maybe every 2 weeks/or at least once a month via skype...but that's more bcs of being away. But if I leaved nearby I'm sure I would spend a lot of time with them. Hell my sister is only a few years younger and she probably drops in on Mum & dad every day.
And it's not so much that they expect it, or ask us to do that. It's more that they *allow* it? or they've set up a pretty open, friendly kind of dynamic where it's not an obligation, it's just something we all want to do. We like being home, it's nice to sit down and have a cup of tea or dinner with them.
and at least with my own parents we can go a while without much contact and it's still cool. it's pretty nice.
but maybe that's not quite what that article is talking about, so maybe this is tl:dr haha
My inlaws are a little more needy, and definitely ask Mr Veg to come over for dinner pretty much every Sunday. But it's still a very pleasant thing, it doesn't seem that unhealthy to me.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Her seminar paper had been unimpressive: Indeed it was one of those for which the epithet "gobsmackingly incoherent" might seem to have been invented.
it would probably be impossible to keep anyone capable of writing this sentence far enough away from a position teaching literature
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't see how you can teach Richardson and not love the gobsmackingly incoherent.OH RICHARDSON BURN
― Dale, dale, dale (Abbbottt), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno, whenever i use "gobsmackingly incoherent" i feel like maybe the scenario isn't gobsmacking or incoherent enough, so i sort of get it
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 7 May 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
My experience kind of relates to Hurting's -- I stayed at my parents' place over some college summers to (presumably) save cash, though, and relied on them in a tough situation a couple times since. But when I wasn't directly in their home, I probably talked to my parents once or twice a week for most of my 20s. When I was in college, it was even less often -- I think I'd go a couple weeks between phone calls, sometimes.
The situation and dynamic is a lot different, but my sister (born 1984) and mom are like best friends and talk multiple times daily. They were both going through some mediocre times when my sister was in her late teens and kind of bonded and have been close since.
I think it has a lot more to do with our different personalities and situations, but it's interesting that I was born in '81 and my sister in '84 and that's around the time of part of the millenial split according to some.
― mh, Monday, 7 May 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
"gobsmackingly incoherent" is kind of the perfect way to smack down a phd paper
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
(she is referring to a phd student in that paragraph)
i would like to see an article asking parents of millenials how often they talk to their adult children and why
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm so glad there were no cell phones when i was in high school and university
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Before he moved to Maryland, my brother saw my parents (socially, I see my dad daily since we work together) way more than I do. I have nothing against them, but I don't feel a need to share my private life or go out of my way to eat dinner at 5:15, etc.. (brother born in '75, me '81)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
which could well be because I have to see at least one of them on the daily
I live about three miles from my parents. We speak about twice a week and it's been a habit since my niece was born (Mom babysits her) to stop by after work for at least an hour to hang out with Mom and her before sis picks her up. I'll usually stay long enough for a drink.
My parents aren't my bros but we enjoy each other's company -- more so the older I've gotten and our time together turns into the center of an hourglass. It isn't at all unusual for my friends' parents to know each other either.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
stuffing the ballot box for millenials tnite
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 May 2012 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
voted boomers, but then i went thrift store record shopping and felt the overwhelming urge to stick it to the greatest generation for filling the bins with terrible MOR soundtrack and ''sing along with mitch/guy/erma/andy/jim'' LPs, this is a staggering burden and we will never be truly rid of it all. on the other hand i also flipped through the trivial pursuit ''boomer edition'' and felt better. silent generation looking pretty good in all this, i think.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
silent generation have been yelling at the kids to get off the lawn for like 40 years
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 17 May 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
not so silent now, huh?
dad is a war baby and mom was one of the good boomers, fuck everybody before and after them basically although i am all right by my fellow explorers and the earlier explorers part two have rarely let me down
^^^ pretty sure this was one of the first comics available on the futuristic millenial INTERNET, as enormous high-res GIFs of the first few pages, at least i remember my dad being really pleased that he'd downloaded it for me, although it even further muddied the waters of who or what could be considered "generation x"
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 17 May 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
I forgot that it had an online preview thingy! Think that the X actually means something there, though
― mh, Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
We are sad, and we are hurt.
― clemenza, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
they've won again!
― DG, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
wow, commanding victory there boomers
― Mordy, Friday, 18 May 2012 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought that entire issue of GenX was available online. I remember trying to access it thru my new university ftp account, as I got my student access the same august/sept it went live.
― Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 18 May 2012 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
when they came for the boomers, etc.
― mookieproof, Friday, 18 May 2012 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Hah Greatest Generation still the greatest! I did my part to do them in. Thanks for the 50 years of nuclear terror & anti-socialist propoganda, guys.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 May 2012 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp - there were lots of horror movies on the subject
― sarahell, Friday, 18 May 2012 01:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:18 PM Bookmark
To be fair, wasn't most of this the work of Lost Generation or older? eg:
MacArthur born 1880J. Edgar Hoover born 1895Dulles brothers born 1888, 1893Dean Rusk born 1909Ronald Reagan born 1911McNamara born 1916JFK born 1917Alexander Haig born 1924etc., etc.
Not sure about Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray, South Pacific, Walter Winchell, or Joe DiMaggio.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 18 May 2012 02:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh, it's not so much the people in power as much as the giant group that kept them in place
― mh, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
ehh, i dunno - - "It's not so much the people who systematically misled the population, as it was the population that was systematically misled"
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh, sure, if you want to act like trusting authority is a good norm
― mh, Friday, 18 May 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
There are always assholes in power and they are probably from a generation. Everybody will get their chance!
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 18 May 2012 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
My theory of boomer resentment is that the children of boomers hate the boomers because the boomers raised them with expectations of a boomer life -- just do what you love and somehow magically make a great living doing it. It's the crushing disappointment that led to the bitterness.
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Friday, 18 May 2012 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
my dad somehow has the anxious "most work hard at your job, must always have a job, must keep shit together" mentality despite being a boomer. I don't know that this necessarily served me well, since... well, that mentality works well in 2012 but I think I actually was taught an even more paranoid mentality than our time requires?
― mh, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
well, enjoy paying for their retirement:
"A poll released Wednesday found that a whopping 25 percent of people ages 46 to 64 say they have no retirement savings — and 26 percent have no personal savings."
― this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 03:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
and being continually underemployed b/c the boomers are too broke to retire.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 04:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
― mh, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
The time is ripe for Generation Banaka
― Banaka™ (banaka), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 3:40 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― your native bacon (mh), Friday, 10 August 2012 14:17 (2 years ago) Permalink