Drugs, Murder and Mexico

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Familiar URL, but some context in this article:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Drug-gangs-resort-to-horrific-killings-3535925.php

Hanna speculates that Guzman may be hoping to gain control of Nuevo Laredo before the July 1 presidential elections in Mexico, which seem poised to return the former ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI, to power.

caro's johnson (Eazy), Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

Reverand, El Paso and Nuevo Laredo have had their share of problems.

*tera, Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link

You mean (viejo) Laredo, right? Nuevo Laredo is on the Mexican side.

The Reverend, Sunday, 13 May 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link

From what I understand, the cartels don't want to risk the full wrath of the US, so they mostly try to do things on the quiet north of the border.

so here's a question - not to be dense, but what exactly is the "full wrath" of the US? and why aren't they afraid of the wrath of the mexican govt? is it because we have a much more transparent govt with much less corruption? or because it's mostly easier to make an honest buck in america than a dishonest one

(by honest of course i mean one that doesn't involves chainsaw decapitations and corruption i mean passing officials briefcases full of money)

the late great, Sunday, 13 May 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link

just speculating, but i expect that the mexican cartels are more-or-less used to working against (and with) the mexican gov't. that's a familiar situation for them, "the way things have always been". the ire of the american government, otoh, isn't something they ordinarily have to contend with, and i don't imagine that they're eager to invite it.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Sunday, 13 May 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link

sooner or later they will kill someone from the new york times, then we'll see results

the late great, Saturday, 19 May 2012 08:31 (eleven years ago) link

I learned a new word from a (Spanish) friend yesterday -- alevosía -- and I think it's worth mentioning here. We were talking about work and blablabla and she asked me if there's a word in English for the killing that happens when it's not just premeditated, but also gruesome and overzealous. For example, someone is shot in the head, and then the body is mutilated for no apparent strategic reason. That kind of killing. And I couldn't think of anything. We were talking about work and engaging in that sort of hyperbole, so she wanted to use the correct word/phrase to describe a situation. The Merriam-Webster dictionary did not satisfy my friend, and I was wondering --

-- is there a word in English for that and I just don't know it?
-- is this a word like fusilar that has (afaik) no direct one-word translation in English?

(Added tidbit: Apparently fusilar also means plagiarize (informally), a tidbit I am VERY happy to learn)

game of crones (La Lechera), Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

won't anyone answer my questions about alevosía?

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

La Lechera I think we call that "overkill"

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

wordreference translates alevosía as either treachery, aforethought (as in murder aforethought) or premeditation so your friend's use my be colloquial or new.

Mad dog killing? I don't think English has a single word. Gruesome, barbarous, deranged all spring to mind as adjectives but overkill lacks enough punch to convey what she's talking about.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

Overkill makes me think of someone trying too hard or wasting effort. Drug-trafficking atrocities are meant as terrorizing warnings.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

overkill comes from the nuclear arms race initially tho iirc. so pretty punchy there.

the fey monster (ledge), Friday, 25 May 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

Did not know that, interesting.
I still wouldn't imagine anyone describing what is going on in Mexico as "overkill" based on the changing connotation of that word over time.

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

Overkill implies there is a correct amount of kill and you, friend, went over it.

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

mayhem

the late great, Friday, 25 May 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

Are you guys familiar with fusilar?

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link

It's a one-word verb that means "to kill by firing squad".

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link

I'm sure there's a Greek word for it, Achilles dragging Hector around the walls of Troy is an example kinda right

xp yeah same root as "fusillade" right?

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link

Right. Afaik, there is no widely used one-word verb equivalent in English?

game of crones (La Lechera), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link

I'm sure it comes from fusil. Fusiller in French (which comes from fusil, a gun or shotgun) means to shoot, though tirer, (literally 'to pull') is used more often for a single shooter. Fusiller tends to mean there were several shoots from several people.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link

Interestingly, if you fusilles someone with your eyes, in English it would be to look daggers at them.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Friday, 25 May 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

This documentary is showing in Chicago this weekend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvqpyZ1Jzng

Odd Spice (Eazy), Saturday, 26 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/us/drug-money-from-mexico-makes-its-way-to-the-racetrack.html

Pretty interesting. Not sure if this was posted elsewhere.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that was a great story. reads like a real life Breaking Bad episode.

dmr, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

since you're the expert, should I start making picks based on whether the word "cartel" is in the horse's name?

It works when you see a greyhound from Kenosha.

pplains, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link

i can't remember the last time i read through all 6 pages of a NYT story. this one was worth it. thx poly

toandos, Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:35 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, great read

they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link

if i was that dude villareal i think i'd have gone to jail instead of turned. zetas don't fuck around!

the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link

plenty of zetas in jail too

decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:52 (eleven years ago) link

well if he hadn't informed then the zetas in jail would be cool, right?

the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

if i was that dude villareal i think i'd have gone to jail instead of turned.

ya srsly

they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:13 (eleven years ago) link

was thinking the same thing

catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:17 (eleven years ago) link

the article talked around villareal being gay, right?

toandos, Thursday, 14 June 2012 08:04 (eleven years ago) link

Referred to him as being "effeminate".

pplains, Thursday, 14 June 2012 12:09 (eleven years ago) link

and being interested in women's fashion

they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 June 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link

still

they loooovin the crut (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 June 2012 12:47 (eleven years ago) link

i was thinking maybe that's why he didn't want to go to jail?

the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

possibly not him?!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 24 June 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link

Apparently a "car salesman"/body double(?) -- http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/mexico/120623/felix-beltran-el-chapo-el-gordo-guzman-arrest-sinaloa-drug-lord

The US Drug Enforcement Administration was credited with providing the intelligence that led to Thursday's raid, and had applauded the arrest, the Washington Post reported.

RCMP, Sunday, 24 June 2012 04:43 (eleven years ago) link

New William Finnegan report:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/07/02/120702fa_fact_finnegan

Odd Spice (Eazy), Monday, 25 June 2012 23:10 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i have a fondness for targeting institutions for their role in the global drug trade

A US Senate investigation has disclosed how lax controls at Europe's largest bank allowed dirty cash to be laundered for almost a decade.

The report into HSBC, released ahead of a Senate hearing on Tuesday, says Mexican drug money passed through the bank over seven years.

Suspicious funds from Syria, the Cayman Islands, Iran and Saudi Arabia also passed through the bank.

HSBC said it expected to be held accountable for what went wrong.

The damning report comes at a difficult time for the British banking sector, with standards and practices are under the spotlight.

Critics say the current furore over the manipulation of the Libor inter-bank interest rate is the latest example of a banking system in need of fundamental reform.

The report also concludes that the US bank regulator, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, failed to properly monitor HSBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18866018

nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Monday, 16 July 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Not really drugs, but guns -- is anyone following the reception of this Fast and Furious report from the inspector general?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-ig-critical-of-atf-in-gun-operation/2012/09/19/379daf18-0273-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_story.html

The inspector general’s report recommended that the Justice Department review the actions of 14 officials and consider whether disciplinary action is warranted. Among them are former acting deputy attorney general Gary Grindler, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, former acting ATF director Kenneth Melson, former ATF special agent in charge William Newell and Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein.

The inquiry “did not find persuasive evidence that any supervisor in Phoenix, at either the U.S. Attorney’s Office or ATF, raised serious questions or concerns about the risk to public safety posed by the continuing firearms purchases or by the delay in arresting individuals who were engaging in the trafficking,” Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department’s inspector general, wrote in the 471-page report. “This failure reflected a significant lack of oversight and urgency by both ATF and the U.S. Attorney’s Office.”

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

There's a link to a pdf of the report if reading 500 pages of government document is your bag.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 21 September 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Shit... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/maria-santos-gorrostieta-dead-mexico-mayor-tortured-killed_n_2193219.html?utm_hp_ref=world

Earlier this month, Maria Santos Gorrostieta, a former small-town mayor in the drug-trafficking western state of Michoacan in Mexico, was reportedly kidnapped in broad daylight in front of her young daughter.

A few days later, her body was found by the side of a road in the southern part of the state. It is believed that the woman was tortured before she was killed, the Los Angeles Times reports.

Gorrostieta had previously survived two assassination attempts, the LA times adds. The first, in 2009, had claimed the life of her husband, Jose Sanchez, another former mayor of the town; while the second, three months later, had left her badly wounded.

The newspaper continues:

Gorrostieta had been mayor of Tiquicheo, a remote town in the so-called hotlands of Michoacan, farmland firmly under the thumb of drug-trafficking cartels. She had denounced traffickers; she also had to confront accusations that her late husband was involved in criminal business.

Gorrostieta, whose mayoral term ended in 2011, reportedly knew that her life was constantly in danger. Yet, even after her husband was murdered and the second attempt on her life left her riddled with bullets and "in constant pain," Gorrostieta refused to give in, the Christian Post notes.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 26 November 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link

ugh

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 26 November 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link


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