Those early singles and 7" EPs are just totemic (like the "Oven Is Your Friend" EP on Siltbreeze, to name just one). I think Lou may have posted MP3s of a lot of that stuff on his website now.
Lou and Jason toured last year, and it was better than the last few tours by full-scale Sebadoh, since they seemed like they were relaxed and having fun.
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link
I agree. Definitely classic.
That stuff of the Magic Ribbons boxset just fries me. Never heard the Asshole 7" :(
― sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyway, the Lou side of "Asshole" is now here: http://www.loobiecore.com/klassix.html
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link
weird. a decent pitchfork review
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/141840-sebadoh-bubble-and-scrape-deluxe-edition
i guess i'm one of the casual fans since bakesale's still my favorite. but what a monster album. the first five or six songs still slay
― kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link
The quintessential "band that hasn't aged well"
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
I still think they're great and esp love this album.
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 19:46 (fifteen years ago) link
i went out and got a copy of the reissue. it sounds great. songs like "sacred attention" come close to what i like so much about bakesale
― kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
re: Sebadoh, C/D
to echo the original poster:
Being the Dinosaur Jr. fan that I am, I have to say NOT classic.
― stephen, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
well then you REALLY wouldn't like the b&s bonus tracks. there's a four-part noise suite called "old daze" with lou and jason each taking a part, and eric taking two
― kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link
and by part you mean tab of acid.
― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
tabs in the ocean
― kamerad, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I prefer Jason to Lou, and I like The Sebadoh a lot, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.
― Hideous Lump, Friday, 11 July 2008 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I just read that Bubble And Scrape review this morning.. enjoyed it quite a bit.. The 2008 reissue disc has been in my car CD player for 5 days straight which is unusual for me.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 11 October 2009 05:55 (fourteen years ago) link
holy shit dudes i am falling in love with The Sebadoh. i think side b is likely one of the best sides i have heard in a whilesolid and catchy and just really in my head right now can't get enoughwe're too old to apologize!
― poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
melting dry to the bone i just can't leave it alone!
― poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
The Sebadoh is massively underrated
― OH RICHEY, WHY. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
thread inspired me to listen to this again:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgnoxyaA-LU
i remember being really into the SOUND of this song 20 years ago.
the drumming (on the *1*), the searing guitar/bass levels (esp on the chorus/outro)...
that's got to be a hollowbody guitar?
― taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Interesting how Xgau did a 180 on these guys as soon as I stopped paying attention.
― taco al pastorius (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yes the sebadohlove is stronger
― poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
hey wassup shasta! you banging yr head on teh punk rock eh
― poetic dissembling of bong-frosted twenty-something idleness (jdchurchill), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone into III? I got heavily into that record, it was a portal for me to a whole universe of music I had not known before.
I decided to see them in concert around that time. I remember traveling 200 kilometers by train and arranging a bed and breakfast in a strange city for me when I was 17 or so, to see them. I was alone because I didn't know anyone who knew them. Massive experience, two days skipping Uni and solely focussed on seeing the mighty Sebadoh. Boy did Barlow fuck that up haha. He had a cold and two songs in he started shouting and cursing the audience in typical Barlow-style, telling the audience to fuck off, and he walked off stage. Took a while before he was back. I remember being shocked although the reaction of the other band members (mere shrugs) was strangely comforting. When he came back on they raced through a 40 minute set and that was that. And I still thought it was pretty good! Haha.
Still love III, and most other records. I have no idea what Barlow is up to nowadays.
― La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 19 March 2011 10:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw Lou and Jason a couple of years ago in Holland, during a reunion tour or something. One of the worst shows I've ever seen. In between the first few songs, Lou drank a whole bottle of red wine, and got drunk immediately. It was so embarrassing to look at that I didn't listen to their albums for a few years.
But despite that ugly memory I have to say CLASSIC.
― ArchCarrier, Saturday, 19 March 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
My experience was in Holland also, but years before. Wine-experience seems pretty much the same though ;-) (there were two or three already openend bottles standing ready at Lou's disposal if memory serves me right)
― La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 19 March 2011 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Deluxe version of "Bakesale" coming soon, looks interesting:
http://www.subpop.com/releases/sebadoh/full_lengths/bakesale_deluxe_edition
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 19 March 2011 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I love Eric Gaffney's stuff on III, especially the last song, lol
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 19 March 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't heard a note after Bubble & Scrape, but up to then it was all amazing (B&S itself is patchy). III is one of my desert island discs.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 19 March 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Bob Fay drums on the title track of the new Mars Classroom (Robt. Pollard, Gary Waleik) record.
― nerve_pylon, Saturday, 19 March 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Secret EP!
http://sebadoh.bandcamp.com/
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
really rad way of funding a record i think
― , Blogger (schlump), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
i listened to smash your head on the punk rock and b & s a while ago to see if i could still like them and as it turns out, the eric songs are the ones i continue to enjoy (i'm the kindest drifter you'll ever hate, and i'll cook for you and i'll clean my plate! >>>>> it's all a matter of soul and fire) and the lou songs sounded UNBEARABLY feelingsy. the loewenstein songs were relatively neutral and fine. I had friends who would complain about the noisy songs interrupting their sweet sweet lou songs, and i guess they finally got what they wanted. does the reunited sebadoh have a gaffney?
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
He was back for earlier reunion things, but he's since left again.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
dont think so. he left again afaik
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
Sebadoh ended for me when Gaffney left. If Lou was the heart, Gaffney was the spastic colon that kept you on your toes.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
real talk!!
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
i thought of him more as the more interesting person -- all lou can do is talk about his boring emotional FEELINGS. i don't want to hang around with a heart. wkiw loewenstein though.
― nicest bitch of poster (La Lechera), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
And that line-up was AMAZING live. Switched instruments every few songs, so you got rotating mini sets of Lou, Jason & Eric tunes, with the singer almost always on guitar. Plus they were really loose in the way only a very close band can be. They seemed to enjoy playing with each other so much the audience couldn't help but feed off it too.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
If I want to hear someone sing about their feelings I'll take "I'm scared of dying, don't let me die" over everything Barlow ever wrote any day. xpost
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
iirc it was a toy love
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
Jason Lo is my favorite of the three, so as long as he's present for the process, I'm on board.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 July 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
just found out about this, happy. going to play it in a few.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 25 July 2012 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
Man, ilx, looking gifthorses in the mouth since the turn of the century.
I'm stoked for this, maybe not my ideal line-up, but I'll take these new tunes.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
JayLoew forever, love the new songs
― Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
given how things went down with Dino Jr. back in the day and how Lou felt about it i always thought it was odd for him to carry on w/ both Sebadoh and Folk Implosion without the people who started those bands with him
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Wednesday, 25 July 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't heard these guys in a long time but was in a normally bustling cafe that was strangely empty due to the holidays and Bob Weston's production on "Brand New Love" (the Smash Your Head version) is pretty wild... That's some pretty nice tight mic-ing.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 21 December 2014 03:46 (nine years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/pLNSgO4.jpg
― mookieproof, Sunday, 6 March 2016 04:40 (eight years ago) link
nice
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 6 March 2016 04:51 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoUv_ntXV-4
10/25/91Maxwell's, Hoboken, NJERIC, JASON, AND LOU
(00:00) Slinstrumental (03:47) Brand New Love(08:12) It's So Hard To Fall In Love(10:21) Sexual Confusion (12:55) Cheapshot (14:20) Toledo
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 6 March 2016 05:28 (eight years ago) link
i'm listening to the new archival Deluxx Folk Implosion record with Bob! It's sooooo awesome! a whole album of great stuff that never came out from the sessions that the 7-inch came from. every sebadoh fan needs this for real.
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14641936_10155184014092137_23910008043006990_n.jpg?oh=1cddb836f5880ea319eb34d09d9769e4&oe=58626B03
― scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
that's very cool
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
on first listen, new Lou solo is really nice
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 1 June 2021 13:53 (two years ago) link
I was relistening to some old sh*t (per the other thread)... check out this performance of "Downmind," it slays on every level. I forgot just how great this bootleg is (7th Street Entry).
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Thursday, 15 July 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link
Absolutely classic for the run from III to Harmacy, but I kind of quit keeping up beyond that.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 July 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link
the first album of those silly cassette recordings is very quotable, i always wished i had a friend i could riff of it with, like inside jokes... some quite touching songs in there, too.
― maelin, Thursday, 15 July 2021 22:49 (two years ago) link
Just came across this (from 2019) - https://www.vice.com/en/article/evea3a/sebadohs-the-sebadoh-20-years-later
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:36 (two years ago) link
morris I thought your comment on the other thread about how the "whole" early Sebadoh-as-band picture was scattered across a bunch of different releases was very accurate, speaking as someone who was a big fan at the time they were putting that stuff out. and all those Vertical 7"s were such limited collector scum nonsense that you could only get those as tape trades. and yeah, I treasure my Magic Ribbons box, especially for the great Unrest song "Headringer" that (I think) is still not reissued in any form.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:39 (two years ago) link
so many times back then, you'd see an indie single in the new bins and if you didn't get it then you never saw it again
(looking at you, "Oven Is My Friend" 7")
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:40 (two years ago) link
I still have not heard the last LP, I don't think. I did see the reunion tour which I was psyched about at the time but cannot remember a single thing about now.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 July 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
xxp “Headringer” is on Twister! I don’t know offhand if it’s the same version, though… Knowing Unrest, it may not be!
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
ha I was wondering about that! I have the CDR reissue of that, will check
― sleeve, Friday, 16 July 2021 00:08 (two years ago) link
These guys were one of the 'big (ha)' indie rock bands I never saw live back in the day. Heard it was usually a mix bag. Only time they played B-ton back when I was going to lots of shows, I was out of town. I heard they switched instruments a couple times.
Sebadoh III and Smash Yr Head always get a smile out of me when I put them on half crocked on whisky and beer about once every 2-3 years or so.
Red Red Meat were cool as heck live the couple times I saw them though. And Railroad Jerk too!
― earlnash, Friday, 16 July 2021 01:30 (two years ago) link
All those bands the better the production got, they got all SERIOUS on their songwriting. They were ALL generally better when they were just stoned noisy weirdos. Kind of the rocknroll equivalent of people getting better looking as the series went on on sitcoms as they finally got dough and a stylist or something.
― earlnash, Friday, 16 July 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
Barlow was def more “careerist” than many in terms of gamely cleaning up his sound / polishing his songwriting; but Sebadoh never made it onto a major (he did with Folk Implosion though).
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link
(I need to read that article about the 1999 Sebadoh album; that was released under some awkward partnership Sub Pop had with Sire at the time.)
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 01:40 (two years ago) link
The Grifters > Pavement/Sebadoh
At least to me...
― earlnash, Friday, 16 July 2021 01:42 (two years ago) link
ok, reading the piece now, it sounds like they were actually on Sire
― aging goth couple™ (morrisp), Friday, 16 July 2021 02:00 (two years ago) link