Robb made it explicit that anyone from the Iron Islands could leave Winterfell and just go home freely if they gave up Theon. They clearly took that deal. xpost
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:21 (eleven years ago) link
ya thats m/l what i was thinking
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:21 (eleven years ago) link
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, June 5, 2012 1:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah, no i know. i guess i hadn't considered that robb's men would've burned the village. my thinking was that it might be hard to have that deal go thru if they had burned the entire village on the way outta town.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:24 (eleven years ago) link
I think the key is that they weren't Robb's men. Robb wanted to go take back Winterfell himself because obv its HIS, but one of his bannermen convinced him to let his bastard do it. There's something else at work. I agree that it wasn't made clear, or they felt it was too difficult to explain or they didn't have the time to introduce yet another element at the last minute. They should have found a way though.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:28 (eleven years ago) link
alright, yeah, that makes sense then
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:30 (eleven years ago) link
lol the reason I wasn't confused is that I had forgotten about the northmen so *sheepish*
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:40 (eleven years ago) link
well we never saw them, only heard about them, so easy to forget. a quick glimpse of the camp outside the walls would've been enough.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 10:49 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah basically the question of why it was burned and who did it is bewildering. Really lazy of them IMO, it's not a cliffhanger if it plain doesn't make sense.
Thought the house of the undying stuff was dumb, that stupid dream sequence took ages. Then it was like "I have magical power beyond your wildest dr.... Ugh I'm dead nooooo" - in about 3 seconds.
They obviously can only do 10 lavish episodes a season and still have giant gaps in the interim, but when you think of how little has happened in s2 it's sort of crazy.
They could have about ten more episodes.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 11:14 (eleven years ago) link
So disappointed about the how the House of the Undying turned out, though it was nice to see Drogo again.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 12:56 (eleven years ago) link
nothing really happened this season
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 12:57 (eleven years ago) link
yeah House of Undying was not worth the buildup.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
this was my complaint about the book this season was based off
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 13:20 (eleven years ago) link
I loved the wintry Red Keep, that was enough for me.
― poxen, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link
i was wondering what/when that was supposed to be – the past, after her father was dethroned, or a future where Daenerys has taken the throne "back".
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
I thought that was meant to be the future, after winter has fallen and shit has really hit the fan.
I had no idea what was happening at Winterfell, that bit felt really rushed. I assume the Iron Island dudes burned the city and then escaped with Theon in tow but I've no idea what was supposed to have happened to the army waiting outside.
I've watched most of this in one three-week binge and have only just caught up and some if it is ridiculous and some of it feels rushed but wow that siege episode was amazing.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
wonder if grandpa lannister didnt marginalize half man cause he was worried abt him getting too powerful
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
Absolutely. He's knows Tyrion is very smart, and he knows he has many reasons to hate him.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
and nearly everyone else hates him, so why not steal his glory aswell.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
OTOH he knows Tyrion is the only one of his children who isn't an idiot and probably needs him around, but needs him cowed as well. That one will probably backfire.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I dunno that Tywin is the kind of dude who wants to be surrounded by people as smart as him.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
are the white walkers the guys on the horses and then theyve got a zombie army is that it
― lag∞n, Monday, June 4, 2012 2:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Basically.
― but he go's to a resturang and then die in a toilet (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
Meanwhile, Laurie Penny is stupid, pt. 2354
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
she blathered on for all that just to say that the Game of Thrones is sort of like The Queen?
u_u
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
nobody should be paid for that sort of worthless shit
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
isn't it funny you guys how we're all watching this show about Queens and irl they're talking about the Queen lol how weird is that you guys
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
Also, was the zombie/white walker on the horse Dothraki? His hair and clothing made it look like he might be, but it is hard to tell because: zombie.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
No, they're all wildlings or Night's Watch men, people beyond the wall.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
undead first men.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
the white walkers aren't just reanimated humans, they're something more ancient/powerful that have the ability to reanimate the dead
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
man so assassin dude was magical!! in all ur faces
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
guys on the horses with ice swords = white walkerszombie horde on foot = wights, created by white walkers
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
changing them from 'others' to 'white walkers' for tv made the term 'wight' quite a bit more confusing it seems
as they same others as on lost tho idgi
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
this ep was pretty anticlimactic after the siege tbh, felt more like the slow first episode of a new season
maester luwin nooo ;_;
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
i disagree, i felt like it was a great comedown after the siege and set things up for next season nicely.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
the penultimate episode is the climactic one on pretty much every HBO show
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's true actually
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
I miss maester luwin
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
This was a lot like last season's in that it was all comedown/setting up for next season but with an awesome Dany/Dragon moment.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 5 June 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
changing them from 'others' to 'white walkers' for tv made the term 'wight' quite a bit more confusing it seemsthey are called white walkers in the series, but less often than 'Others' and usually by more peripheral characters.
― gyac, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
Soooo what happened to Hound?
― Evan, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
Ahe said fuck all this bullshit, it doesn't really matter, and he peaced out.
― Clay, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 03:01 (eleven years ago) link
In retrospect, I think that the way they did the Houses of the Holy is better than trying to adapt it direct from the books, if only as a mood piece. PARTICULARLY the Drogo scene, which is better than anything GRRM has written in the books.
― Liz Leeemon (Leee), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 05:44 (eleven years ago) link
I disagree, I felt like it lost all of its creepiness on screen. They truncated the hell out of it, to the point where it just seemed like a lame funhouse. Except the keep and the iron throne, that was p rad
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
my problem with the house was that dany's triumph over it seemed completely unearned. perhaps it would have been too programmatic and obvious, but i felt there should have been some real challenge overcome (and attendant "lesson learned") before unlocking dragon powerz.
also, leee otm: dany's reunion w/ drogo was one of the most moving moments of the season. i'm only repeating what others have said, but clarke handled it beautifully, and it went a long way towards making up for her deficiencies as an actor and the dullness of her character arc over the past few episodes.
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 06:00 (eleven years ago) link
funny how people here really don't like Clarke as an actress. she gets praised a lot elsewhere.
I thought she did have to overcome the temptation to be with Drogo and live a happy existence in a dreamland.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 06:29 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, there was that suggestion, but no sense of real risk or accomplishment in it
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:15 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think there was risk, but I do think there was accomplishment. Dany had a bad arc this season though, and from what I've heard, that's largely the book's fault. I think she gained a better understanding of something though, and the dragons frying the warlock was pretty cool. And I loved seeing her being motherly and in control again.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:23 (eleven years ago) link
I really think that Drogo scene was great though, and I'm really impressed they managed to pull that out of the bag when there was no indication, even from her relationship with him last season, that they could do that.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:24 (eleven years ago) link
dany's arc in season two is WAY superior to her arc in book two, fwiw. but it was still pretty dumb.
― Clay, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 07:40 (eleven years ago) link