Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

Between horseshoe, contendo, and m@tt p much anything I want to say on this subject has been p much covered. Al 3 completely otm. The one thing I don't get is why every1 thinks bady is acting badly on Twitter

that's mostly because everyone acts badly on Twitter

thx lex

i don't know if she is or isn't and frankly she can do whatever she wants for the rest of her life as far as i'm concerned, but i understand there are people in the world less smitten with her than i. and she does on occasion say wack things. i don't understand how other people presume to evaluate whether she truly does feel violated as a woman, i will say.

song still sucks

there's a kind of blithe permission that certain people - particularly wealthy people - grant themselves. entitlement, after all, is a fairly predictable product of wealth and celebrity, attributes that seem to affirm the superiority of those who possess them. to be rich, successful, widely known and well-loved is to be reassured at every moment: "yes, it is you. you are better. you are different. you are allowed. the things you do and say are correct. the way you feel is proper. the universe conspires to open doors and light your way."

i suspect that this atmosphere of constant positive affirmation tends to breed an attitudinal condition that i sometimes think of as "aristocratic amorality". the possessors of wealth, station, celebrity and/or power have little reason to worry about the rules that govern right and wrong, good and bad behavior in the lives of "lesser" people. the evidence of the universe seems to suggest that good things come not from doing what is generally expected or approved, but rather from the pursuit of their own "extraordinary" passions. do what thou wilt, crowley 101...

to some extent, this is a good philosophy. social rules can be stifling, and much good comes from the dedicated pursuit of one's dreams. but heedless, thoughtless entitlement does engender some rather revolting behavior.

Yeah I was looking for specific examples of how Badu was acting needlessly entitled, but thx for the philosophical treatise :)

People are saying she's acting needlessly entitled because she posted her big kiss-off after the video had already been taken down. (Although I'm having a bitch of a time finding a straightforward timeline of this whole sequence of events.)

Oic ty

But wait: then how is her hate adding to hits?

i was speculating about the sort of entitlement that possibly inclined wayne to figure that his video was self-justifying on the basis of "ART, MAN", regardless of how anybody else might feel about it - including his collaborators. not saying anything about badu.

and i was thinking aloud more than trying to make a serious point of any kind.

lol contendo, when people ask you for directions do you give them a treatise on how "north" became north?

mea culpa, i do get carried away

i often use this little "add a post" box as a thought bubble, and yeah i do that in real life too, elaborating ideas well past the point of immediate utility. it reflects a kind of entitlement, i suppose...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71P1N9M0WPL._SL500_AA300_.gif

i often use this little "add a post" box as a thought bubble, and yeah i do that in real life too, elaborating ideas well past the point of immediate utility. it reflects a kind of entitlement, i suppose...

― contenderizer, Friday, June 8, 2012 2:09 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or self parody

at least you used your forces for good itt

10000 posts on this video & no-one has flagged up how half of it is a guy waving tinfoil around

this is many xxxposts

but i just thought of this quote from "Enter Naomi: SST and All That" by Joe Carducci that kinda sums up what i was trying to say about my gut feeling about the Flaming Lips....

so I'm paraphrasing, but this is pretty close...is some guy of another big hardcore band of that era is quoted as saying, "You know, you listened to these Black Flag records and heard all this pain and despair, then their van rolls up, and all these dudes jump out, saying, 'Dude, where are the chicks? let's get this happening!'"

Nothing but LOVE! LOVE! LOVE! 4 ya, contenderizer

that's what you said. it might not have been what you meant, but give it a good, long think.

in the absence of any fav/hall of fame mechanic i would like to show my appreciation for this v elegant finisher

dancing for chicken is something I believe Ice Cube said (which is ironic, in hindsight, but evs) about Hammer on a KFC commercial. It's just my go-to 'sellout' phrase. #oldtimer

if chicken could fly this place would be a dancefloor

No fowl play then.

jeez, when did NRO commenters start being allowed to post here

yeah i don't know if he's racist or sexist or particularly care about him at all, but it was definitely a dick move on his part, whatever else it was

― horseshoe, Friday, June 8, 2012 1:24 PM (Yesterday)

feel like this sums up a point that otherwise wasn't being very well articulated earlier today during all the fun - the issue isn't with the twitter war (who cares) or even the 'concept' of the video itself, but rather with the fact that coyne's version of the video was allegedly released without badu's input in the editing process. the whole thing's pretty artless and i have a hard time imagining how they could have made a better video given the footage available, but considering the nature and themes central to the video, releasing it like that hangs badu and her dignity out to dry.

this doesn't definitively make coyne a racist or a sexist. but it's kind of impossible to understand the reaction by badu and presumably countless other people to the video without discussing the social injustices in which those reactions are inevitably grounded. and that's what this is about - why the disgust felt by many people, itt and otherwise, is justified. it was just a thoughtless and careless thing to do

you can KiSS MY Glittery ASS .

lmao

at issue seems to be whether badu was promised final approval of the video, in her message she says she was bu then later she says 'i always have been in the past' cause if not you filmed a glittery ass video and they released a glittery ass video, perfectly reasonable to criticize it if you think it sucks but you havent really been wronged

also i totally think itd totally be a good idea if deric haircare took a week of nights to sleep on each post hes considering making before he hits submit

a year out never hurts

Aw don't hate on the W. Haircare.

Seriously Deric if you hate ILX clusterfucks this was a weird choice of thread to get involved on.

The whole saga is a good example of why holding your hands up at the start and going "I fucked up and I'm sorry" is better than behaving like a passive-aggressive dick for ages, coralling your cheerleading fans, and then belatedly issuing an unconvincing apology. It's always kinda interesting how people deal with sudden bad publicity and Wayne Coyne, who has never had any bad publicity in like 20 years in the limelight, dealt with it really badly.

Difficult to see how Coyne doesn't come across as the principal dick in this whole episode.

even the 'concept' of the video itself

eh. the video is gross imo.

i mean, badu might be as responsible for the concept, such as it is, as coyne, but it is inessential at best, gross at worst.

/prude

yeah i don't disagree with that, it seemed pretty bad and artless, but i'm assuming for the sake of argument that badu signed on because she thought she could make it worthwhile somehow. releasing it without her having a hand in it deprived her of that chance, or the chance to ask that it not be released

she explains why she did it despite being uncomfortable with it from the start - he'd spent money on sudio time etc, + "i didn't wanna kill your concept, wanted u to at least get it out of your head" - this is just part of the collaborative artistic process, merely filming a scene doesn't mean you're effectively consenting for it to be released at all.

haha as a lifelong erykah devotee it makes me feel better that she was uncomfortable with the "concept." because it is dumb.

Also Coyne was involved in this similar video (with a crowd instead of nudity) for another Oklahoma band last year, so the gunk side of things is a very unoriginal grossness: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdXrvhMEQeU

unless you have an explicit agreement that states otherwise filming something for someone elses project does in fact constitue consent - what you think every person in any video gets a copy sent to them and signs off on it, every actor gets final cut of a movie

How are Badu fans reconciling her seemingly supportive/excited Tweets during the production of the song & video - even, seemingly, up to the original release of the video - with her remorseful later take?

she obvs didnt like how it turned out, which is fair

i haven't really been following anything on twitter, but she probably just saw the video and was like, ew.

xp

idk what it says abt her claims to be have been uncomfortable w/the concept from the beginning, i havent read all those tweets either

also, i am a Badu fan, but i'm not really interested in defending every tweet she posted about this controversy. i am interested in joining her army, should she ever start one, and general badu-directed devotion.

i am with horseshoe in the badu militia

badu is a queen tbh and i don't understand anyone who does not see this

so if this army has to at some point defend particular tweets will you then decide yr loyalty on a tweet by tweet basis, kinda capricious imho

xp

haha i realized the contradiction as i typed, but i, like badu, contain multitudes.

I truly think that the whole 'victim' angle here (which has seemingly come more from Badu's fans' projections than her own take on the story) is almost as creepy as anything Coyne may have or may have not done. Those kind of superfan comments suggest it wouldn't actually be possible to have any real discussion on it, though.