Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

at issue seems to be whether badu was promised final approval of the video, in her message she says she was bu then later she says 'i always have been in the past' cause if not you filmed a glittery ass video and they released a glittery ass video, perfectly reasonable to criticize it if you think it sucks but you havent really been wronged

also i totally think itd totally be a good idea if deric haircare took a week of nights to sleep on each post hes considering making before he hits submit

a year out never hurts

Aw don't hate on the W. Haircare.

Seriously Deric if you hate ILX clusterfucks this was a weird choice of thread to get involved on.

The whole saga is a good example of why holding your hands up at the start and going "I fucked up and I'm sorry" is better than behaving like a passive-aggressive dick for ages, coralling your cheerleading fans, and then belatedly issuing an unconvincing apology. It's always kinda interesting how people deal with sudden bad publicity and Wayne Coyne, who has never had any bad publicity in like 20 years in the limelight, dealt with it really badly.

Difficult to see how Coyne doesn't come across as the principal dick in this whole episode.

even the 'concept' of the video itself

eh. the video is gross imo.

i mean, badu might be as responsible for the concept, such as it is, as coyne, but it is inessential at best, gross at worst.

/prude

yeah i don't disagree with that, it seemed pretty bad and artless, but i'm assuming for the sake of argument that badu signed on because she thought she could make it worthwhile somehow. releasing it without her having a hand in it deprived her of that chance, or the chance to ask that it not be released

she explains why she did it despite being uncomfortable with it from the start - he'd spent money on sudio time etc, + "i didn't wanna kill your concept, wanted u to at least get it out of your head" - this is just part of the collaborative artistic process, merely filming a scene doesn't mean you're effectively consenting for it to be released at all.

haha as a lifelong erykah devotee it makes me feel better that she was uncomfortable with the "concept." because it is dumb.

Also Coyne was involved in this similar video (with a crowd instead of nudity) for another Oklahoma band last year, so the gunk side of things is a very unoriginal grossness: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdXrvhMEQeU

unless you have an explicit agreement that states otherwise filming something for someone elses project does in fact constitue consent - what you think every person in any video gets a copy sent to them and signs off on it, every actor gets final cut of a movie

How are Badu fans reconciling her seemingly supportive/excited Tweets during the production of the song & video - even, seemingly, up to the original release of the video - with her remorseful later take?

she obvs didnt like how it turned out, which is fair

i haven't really been following anything on twitter, but she probably just saw the video and was like, ew.

xp

idk what it says abt her claims to be have been uncomfortable w/the concept from the beginning, i havent read all those tweets either

also, i am a Badu fan, but i'm not really interested in defending every tweet she posted about this controversy. i am interested in joining her army, should she ever start one, and general badu-directed devotion.

i am with horseshoe in the badu militia

badu is a queen tbh and i don't understand anyone who does not see this

so if this army has to at some point defend particular tweets will you then decide yr loyalty on a tweet by tweet basis, kinda capricious imho

xp

haha i realized the contradiction as i typed, but i, like badu, contain multitudes.

I truly think that the whole 'victim' angle here (which has seemingly come more from Badu's fans' projections than her own take on the story) is almost as creepy as anything Coyne may have or may have not done. Those kind of superfan comments suggest it wouldn't actually be possible to have any real discussion on it, though.

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badu militia

looks like more of a cult tho tbh, fine line

I kind of don't care about anyone's shit but the product I think

like while you're alive just do whatever you have to do to put whatever work you have out there and then die, I think idk know tho

I have never, philosophically, made sausage tho so idk idk

looks like more of a cult tho tbh, fine line

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if you think about turning back, i got the shotgun on your back

do not mean to be suggesting harriet tubman was a cult leader btw :/

uh oh im having a dissertation

badussertation

ah fuck harriet tubman wiki what a horrible fuckin world

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i don't want to have to eliminate you jho

and thus it begins

also look how pretty she is!

she is v v pretty

haha i remember when baduizm first came out, and before i'd heard it at all i saw her being interviewed on mtv and she was talking, vaguely and flakily, i thought, about "baduism" as some kind of inspirational spirituality, and i found her super-irritating and was like this lady is wack. little did i know...

it bothers me when people wear turbans that cover part of their eyebrows tho

resistance is futile

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ljew4A9d1qgcra2o1_400.gif

behaving like a passive-aggressive dick for ages, coralling your cheerleading fans, and then belatedly issuing an unconvincing apology.

is this about wayne coyne or me getting 51'd last year?

lol #teamwhiney

the concept is i drown you and your sister in a bathtub, k?

ha

unless you have an explicit agreement that states otherwise filming something for someone elses project does in fact constitue consent - what you think every person in any video gets a copy sent to them and signs off on it, every actor gets final cut of a movie

^^^ this is otm btw

Point missed slyly

merely filming a scene doesn't mean you're effectively consenting for it to be released at all.

Actually, it does, unless you have a contract that explicitly states otherwise. Which I would have, if I were getting filmed naked and covered with goo.

one can always dream