FOIA documents point to Homeland Security coordination of crackdowns on Occupy
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/14/did-the-white-house-direct-the-police-crackdown-on-occupy/
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
well duh
― the late great, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
evidence is always nice
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
evidence for what? dhs hasn't charged anyone w/ a crime, what do they need evidence of?
― the late great, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
I mean evidence of the fed coordination.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
oh i see what you're saying
― the late great, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.reuters.com/video/2012/06/13/protesters-disrupt-opening-of-jamie-dimo?videoId=235959001&videoChannel=117764
my fuckin people, including deborah harris, the paramedic jp morgan is currently trying to kick out of her house
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/599481_3570652861903_861569282_n.jpg
when photos of rob like this one come out the running joke is "MY WHITE RAGE IS THE ONLY AUTHENTIC FORM OF PROTEST"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:34 (eleven years ago) link
LOL "panic time"
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://l.yimg.com/ho/api/res/1.2/e0ZIIWWli1559oqaWmDEMQ--/Zmk9Zml0O2g9OTAwO3c9OTAwO3E9OTA7YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NyY2g-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/photo_1339617824610-1-0.jpg
this is debbie, and this super makes my heart well up
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 June 2012 04:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/06/what-do-jamie-dimons-cufflinks-tell-us-about-financial-industrial-complex
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 June 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Dana Millbank in the W. Post:
Jones, in his speech to the conferees, pleaded with the activists to be as “courageous and determined” as the Occupy movement was, but he needled the left for being soft, comparing today’s activists unfavorably with those of the civil rights era. “They were beaten fighting for change. Some went to jail fighting for change. Some were murdered,” he said. “We’ll quit over a really mean tweet.”
Jones urged them to use their heads, even if their hearts aren’t in it. “If we just support the president, just vote for Democrats, we don’t get what we want,” he said. “But if we don’t, our opponents get power and decimate us. Can we put our thinking caps on now?”
Surely Jones knows that it’s hard to put on a thinking cap when you’re in the fetal position.
danamilb✧✧✧@washp✧✧✧.c✧✧
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-the-left-feeling-left-out/2012/06/18/gJQAbKzQmV_story.html?hpid=z2
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
i don't remember which fevered comment box i learned this in but dana milbank is skull & bones
― goole, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
Does not surprise me
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah he's right, good thing nobody gets beaten or put in jail anymore
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
short attention spans are getting shorter all the time, apparently. or maybe you just had to be there.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
good thing nobody gets beaten or put in jail anymore
yeah the difference isn't that people aren't getting beaten/jailed/killed, it's that it isn't news to the public, and they don't care.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
Van Jones merely helped Millbank confirm his pre-determined view
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
“Elections are something that Occupy needs to continue to avoid. The Obama-Romney debate is not a discussion of the concerns of the American people."
http://www.nationofchange.org/occupy-will-be-back-1340111087
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
hope they don't mean "voting"
― the late great, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
I'm pretty sure he means "as a movement"
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
Open Assembly/BBQ in Brooklyn's Prospect Park on the 22nd:
http://occupywallst.org/article/join-us-july-22-prospect-park-open-assembly-and-bb/
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
the national gathering was last week, i'm told lots of good connections were made and things were learned
my friends that occupied the closed franklin homeless shelter in november are on trial this week
freefranklindc.blogspot.com
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
Zuccotti Park reoccupied
http://my.firedoglake.com/kitoconnell/2012/07/11/live-99-mile-march-sings-dances-in-liberty-square/
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
The MSM's effort to slime OWS with a murder charge falls apart:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/07/occupy-dna-murder-link-now-thought-be-lab-error/54471/
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2012 11:09 (eleven years ago) link
so, What Is to Be Done Now?
And so while the need for a political vanguard – not necessarily, indeed not ideally, the kind Lenin proposed – is general, the need for something that would serve that purpose in our circumstances is particularly acute. We live in a liberal democracy with a liberal component that remains fairly robust. But, in recent years, the democratic component, never very strong, has receded almost to the vanishing point.
In these circumstances, the electoral road to change and hope – not just for a radically transformed social and economic order, but even just for a more decent order within the framework of existing social, political and economic arrangements — is more than usually out of reach.
This is the real lesson of the 2008 election. Obama may be feckless, and he has certainly disappointed almost everybody who harbored any hopes for his presidency. He could have done much better. But the idea that he could begin to do what some of his supporters imagined he would was illusory from the start. One needn’t be a full-fledged Leninist to know that, but serious readers of “What Is To Be Done?” could hardly fail to notice – or to understand why....
Applying Lenin’s prescriptions mechanically in circumstances very different from the ones he confronted never made sense, though segments of the left went on for decades as if it did. What they ought to have done, and what we can still do, is appropriate the core principles of “What Is To Be Done?” to the conditions that actually obtain.
Then the next time resistance to ruling class aggression or to the outrageous inequalities generated by present day capitalism erupts, there will at least be a chance that enduring and beneficial change will come from it – not the meretricious kind some deluded voters imagined they’d get from Obama, and not the fleeting and largely illusory kind that the Occupy movements produced in their moments of glory, but the real deal.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/27/what-is-to-be-done-now/
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
Lenin is not useful fyi
― Dunn O)))))))) (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
some of his principles may be, if one is imaginative.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
keep relying on the Democratic Party tho, it's working nicely
I'm more of a Makhno fan
― Dunn O)))))))) (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
lenin certainly worth reading even if he was a cromwell-esque lunatic -- i read all his major books in college -- but his concerns seem very remote from our own. i'd rather see ppl following the example of robert la follette.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I mean sure's he's fascinating/valid from a historical standpoint but as a reference point for tactics in the present day? gtfo
― Dunn O)))))))) (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
I'd almost think you hadn't read "Applying Lenin’s prescriptions mechanically in circumstances very different from the ones he confronted never made sense"
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
otoh "let's improve our system by incrementally making the Democrats less awful" looks like a big GTFO
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
appropriate the core principles of “What Is To Be Done?” to the conditions that actually obtain
this is super-vague and unhelpful tho, and complicated by the fact that Lenin arguably had no intention of putting core principles in action, but instead developed them exclusively in the interest of consolidating power
― Dunn O)))))))) (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
and I'm all for jettisoning our current system - it's a mess! I wouldn't miss it. otoh it exists and refusing to deal with it or exploit opportunities to change it strikes me as myopic.
― Dunn O)))))))) (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 July 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
did you like even think about reading that at all
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
dude's bland point is that "we" need a leadership structure to enact a mass movement. he's not talking about the fuckin new economic plan or taking lessons from the liquidation of the kulaks, he's saying "bolshys 2012." i think he's wrong about the most effective way to build power for working class people, but read the damn thing.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link
sorry dude i just get dismissive at dismissiveness
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
even saying "working class people" kinda gives me the willies
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
aye. the working class are definitely considered "folk".
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 03:07 (eleven years ago) link
dude's bland point is that "we" need a leadership structure to enact a mass movement.
I don't disagree with this - but Lenin is a terrible example!
― Dunn O)))))))) (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
occupied Charlotte park
http://occupywallst.org/article/appeal-donations-support-marshall-park-occupation-/
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
A petition to demand inclusive debates.
http://occupythecpd.org/
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
Monday NYC schedule
http://s17nyc.org/schedule/
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2012 11:40 (eleven years ago) link
so where r u, HOOS?
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
concert in Foley Sq today, 1-6pm
http://s17nyc.org/files/2012/09/Occupyconcert02.jpg
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 September 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
More than 100 arrests were reported on Monday, the first anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street movement, as protesters converged near the New York Stock Exchange and tried to block access to the exchange.
Demonstrators had planned to converge from several directions to form a “human wall” around the stock exchange to protest what they said was an unfair economic system that benefited the rich and corporations at the expense of ordinary citizens.
Police officers and protesters squared off at various points, with protesters briefly blocking intersections and sidewalks before being dispersed and sometimes arrested.
The police appeared prepared to counter the protesters’ blockade with one of their own, ringing the streets and sidewalks leading to the exchange with metal barricades and asking for identification from workers seeking to gain access.
Meanwhile, Occupy supporters marched through the streets waving banners and accompanied by bands playing “Happy Birthday.”
Police officers repeatedly warned protesters that they could be arrested if they did not keep moving. Most of those arrested were charged with disorderly conduct, the police said.
At one point, at Broad Street and Beaver Street, a police commander grabbed a man from a crowd. Protesters tried to pull the man free, but officers surged forward and wrested the man back and placing him in handcuffs.
One of the more tense episodes took place as several hundred people marched slowly along Broadway. As part of the group passed Wall Street, a line of officers separated the marchers into two parts. A few moments later, officers approached a man who had been objecting loudly to the metal barricades that cordoned off Wall Street. The officers grabbed the man, who yelled “I did nothing wrong,” then removed him. As they were leading him away, a line of officers pushed a crowd, which included news photographers, away from the arrest.
One officer repeatedly shoved photographers with a baton and a police lieutenant warned that no more photographs should be taken. “That’s over with,” the lieutenant said.
By midday, 124 people had been arrested. The arrests were mostly on disorderly conduct charges “for impeding vehicular or pedestrian traffic,” according to Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. On Saturday and Sunday, the police arrested 43 people in connection with the protests, Mr. Browne said. While most of those arrests involved charges of disorderly conduct, he said that some were on assault and resisting arrest charges.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/protests-near-stock-exchange-on-occupy-wall-st-anniversary
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
a police lieutenant warned that no more photographs should be taken. “That’s over with,” the lieutenant said.
Always revealing when taking photographs is treated as a danger to ongoing police work.
― Aimless, Monday, 17 September 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
still don't understand why the press doesn't throw more of a fit over the way the cops treat them. should be front page news every time it happens.
― wmlynch, Monday, 17 September 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link