yeah i know that, and to be honest in the greater scheme of things even my strawman irish supporter is hardly doing anything particularly wrong.
― tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
or even "wrong" at all.
football fans in general are idiots but rather the irish fans doing drunken singsongs with the spanish than a load of polish & russian reets kicking each others heads in
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
the latter is more interesting to watch imo, ha. nihilist jim.
― tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
xp keanes just butthurt after saipan...would have happened whether mcccarthy was there or not tbh...remember when he said he'd never be a pundit?
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
tell you what though lads, we may be out but we'll have a drink and a sing song at the next game and show everyone we're the best fans in the world...YOU'LL NEVER BEAT THE IRISH (repeat to fade)
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
ha yeah i had forgotten that xp
he is just too deranged to be a manager
recent teams who most desparately needed a tv crew in their midst = 2009 era sunderland with keane kicking over tactics boards, dioufy threatening to stab anton ferdinand, millions of random irish dudes hanging around to no purpose
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
Keane's not hating on the fans, he's hating on the bullshit "oh shure isn't it lovely to be here, never mind the sloppy passing and Paul Green in the side, shure maybe next time lads?" glossing over that inevitably goes on. (I haven't seen RTE's coverage yet but I imagine they'll be suitably brutal).
― gyac, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
will ye have a big leprechaun hat
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
Roy Keane is a failed manager with a lot of grudges
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
a lot of grudges and no leprechaun hat
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
i'm wearing mine right now
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
He is, but he's right to say we should expect better...than Keith fucking Andrews and Paul fucking Green. He's 40 and of dubious fitness and he could probably still easily outclass our midfield.
― gyac, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
i did find the shots of the irish and spanish fans together all singing with their arms round each other genuinely heartwarming.
― Chris, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:38 (eleven years ago) link
what happened to james mcarthy? did he really have to miss the whole tournament
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
dad has cancer. Trap doesn't like him
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
his father has cancer iirc
― gyac, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
longmcclean mcgeady coleman mccarthy gibson
mcclean mcgeady coleman
mccarthy gibson
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:43 (eleven years ago) link
some actual speed >>>>>>>>> game lads
cox was toilet tonight btw
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
Keane is a fucking remedial moron. If he hates Ireland so much he shouldn't have signed every horrendous Irish also ran ever as a boss. And slated pundits forever until him and his wife needed a new kebab at burgerland in cork with lee sharpe, great guy, #keanebiogreference
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
he doesn't fucking hate Ireland, he thinks we shouldn't be happy to roll in, play like shit, and make up the numbers. fairly obvious point, and one that needs making.
― gyac, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
doubt he needs the cash, just wants the attention
when he was at sunderland he would always be giving his rote 'like i said to be honest with you i've got no time for people who ______' opinions on every subject not pertaining to sunderland
but as gyac says, his core point here is otm
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
it's actually not a point that needs making though. Maybe ten years ago
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
not with the emergence of darraghmac, but keane still has a bigger audience
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
I like your proposed formation though nakh
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
swap hoolihan for mcgeady
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
i find international football fans - the face-painting, wig-wearing, "just here for a laugh" mob - fairly cringeworthy, and ireland are pretty much the apotheosis of that. oh here's a drunk guy dressed up as a leprechaun who hasn't been to a football game since the last time he went to old trafford, what a guy. ― tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow)a broad generalisation. a lot of irish fans get the boat over for matches in england.― Michael B Higgins (Michael B)
Old Trafford is in England
― Totally committed to the Corrs (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
Hoolihan is 30 tbf
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
theory being that mcgeady is ireland's most skilful player and might as well bring him into attacking mid
especially if his crossing is as iffy as regular ireland watchers attest
i just think ireland needs to get beyond game lads and gameladism
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link
Trap is there for two more years and showed little inclination to change a losing formula after Croatia. The whole setup looked so amateurish, it really embarrassed me. (Actually, amateurish is insulting as roughly 100% of hurling matches I've watched have displayed more skill,better fitness and backbone. Retracted.) It can't be stated enough. Keane was as right as he was after the waffling about how "lucky" we were to get a 2-2 draw against the Dutch in Amsterdam, when we were leading that game 2-0 for 70 minutes and squandered two points.
― gyac, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
*in 2000, for WC 2002 qualifying.
definitely
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, there's no hope for the WC qualifiers whatsoever
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
yeah its gonna be grim
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
the clamour for hoolahan and andy reid before him is not the solution to gameladism
they are charlie adam type players who will hit one great 40 yard pass a match but end up with 55% passing accuracy
mcgeady is one of spartak moscow's best players, he has good control and a turn of pace, ireland don't have anyone like him
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 22:59 (eleven years ago) link
mcclean looks good but he is more of a krasic/valencia type who will power down the outside and get a cross in
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:02 (eleven years ago) link
prolonging the agony on the beeb....andrews has been our best player in this tourney (gulp)
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
howard webb being shit again
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
that's the keane trademark of total rubbish. he's a fucking moron who failed repeatedly as a manager and bought irish players incessantly to the point where it was funny. that was a point in the past but no way is it one now. this is one of the worst irish teams ever, and credit to trap for us being there, even with his wild contrarian decisions.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
mcgeady is just crap.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:37 (eleven years ago) link
what is paul green then?
― too cool graham rix listening to neu (nakhchivan), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
he's below any level but overall this side have underachieved hugely, even under trap. you look at how teams are prepared for a summer tournament and ireland look so fucking lethargic in this tournament. a goal conceded in first 3/4 mins of each half so far.
so different to the team that qualified. keith andrews the only player who stood up.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 14 June 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
this is not one of the worst irish teams/squads ever, but even if it were we`ve still not seen anything like the best from the players trap can be bothered to run his stubbornly limited and inflexible rule over from his dvd selection
this attitude of "he got us here" sickens my hole. the attitude of "we`ve only got shit players" sickens my hole. hid arrogance, his contempt for irish football and his sheer retirement gig `couldnt give a fuck for ye` response to very valid criticism sicken my hole.
he`s doing huge damage to irish international football
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
xp this is exactly the tem that qualified. any cunt can get draws in qualification by refusng to play football. come the contest proper you best have a bit more about you.
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
it's all pointless
― Number None, Friday, 15 June 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
i`d rather my pointlessness try to play football, using footballers
― irrational angst that makes me innocuously thingy (darraghmac), Friday, 15 June 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
I agree with you, to an extent. Whatever preparation he's done has been dire. My point was that they're far less vigorous and fit even within the confines of trap's tactics.
It is a terrible pool of players though.
And I do think you have to credit trap with something for qualifying.
Would love to see what Harry would do with Ireland.
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 06:14 (eleven years ago) link
Repeated "sicken my hole"s - are you sure that wasn't the Euro 2012 cuisine btw?
― ooooiiiioooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaoooooh un - bi - leevable! (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 June 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link
Trap barely deserves credit for qualifying. He took one point from six against the only decent team in the group. Had they been drawn against anyone else in the play-off, they would have struggled. They were thoroughly outplayed for large stretches against Armenia and Estonia - it was pretty clear that they couldn't take the same attitude (and starting line-up) into matches against Croatia and Spain and not expect to get a hiding.
I think Keane was harsh on the players, none of them performed to their best but they'd still probably have been beaten comfortably if they did. It's a limited pool of resources, undeniably, but Trap's stubbornness and inflexibility needs to change before the WC qualifiers start.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Friday, 15 June 2012 07:50 (eleven years ago) link