I usually buy a t-shirt if it's a band I'm really into, or if they have a good poster I'll score one of thsoe
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
*those
Aimee Mann @aimeemannThanks for the update! RT @darklordjames: @aimeemann You and most musicians need to learn that your product isn't worth $10 any more.
Thanks for the update! RT @darklordjames: @aimeemann You and most musicians need to learn that your product isn't worth $10 any more.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
I have a box in our basement storage that has something on the order of 50 t-shirts in it, half of which are Cure and Prince concert t-shirts, that I haven't even opened in 11 years
in summation: 90s touring artists I saw, you are welcome
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
lol you should have seen me at 90s Cure shows, I would basically buy one of every t-shirt
Hahah um....
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Haha, Mat Mt, I'll only buy vinyl, so I feel that way about CDs... until I find out that actually the record will never be pressed on vinyl and I really should have bought the inferior format while I had a chance. I will buy demo CDs by new bands for a couple of quid, though, and the odd cassette release.
I wear a tie most of the time so I've kind of stopped buying band t-shirts, as it's difficult to rock a logo and a tie simultaneously.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
Mat Mt? I meant Matt M. Sorry for inadvertent anagramming.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
Make note aerosmith, there's a growing demand for band ties/tie pins out there these days
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
The ability to record and encode and share and stream music efficiently and inexpensively is the greatest thing.
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
"Free music" is like so bloody amazing I can't understand this argument.
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
Oh man, a proper band tie pin would be the most awesomely rad raddest thing.
xposts
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
spend more on their beer tab than they do at the merch table
guilty!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
Lowery is like one of those American politicians who continue to insist that Americans *should* pay for health care.
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry I'm having my own private idaho right now, I just tuned in
OK but hey -- people also get to produce and distribute and consume video much more easily and inexpensively now than before the internet, but people who work in TV and movies and the monetized end of web video haven't had their livelihood remotely as endangered by the new reality. there could probably be some middle ground between that and what's happened with music.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
I imagine if he read that his head would explode.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
Wait, who *doesn't* do this aside from teetotallers? Beer is expensive, man.
― emil.y, Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:56 AM (35 minutes ago)
you clipped the end of my statement which implied spending $0 at the merch table. I'm talking about ppl who never visit a merch table but don't think twice about dropping $20 on beer because they can't download a beer for free. I guess if they could we would have a big long thread about the value of getting drunk and the long hours brewmakers spend cleaning out their tanks.
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link
lol at "@darklordjames" weighing in
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
More like an American doctor
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i mean 'owning your master recordings' as something even on the radar of many musicians as any kind of priority seems like a relatively recent development that we can probably thank diy indie for to some extent
Ray Charles made ownership of his master recordings a condition of signing with ABC in 1959. I don't know how much (if any) precedent there was for it at the time -- the biopic naturally dramatizes the point to make it look like absolutely no one owned their masters. But I always wondered if/how many other artists started making this demand once they got wind of Ray's deal.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure Laibach had these when I saw them in '92. Hell, they may have had their own line of ties.
― 誤訳侮辱, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
Not so sure about band logo ties, really, it seems a bit 'zany'. But a tie pin, yes yes yes. Nice neat little logo you can pin on to whatever tie you like.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
xp I'm sorry to take that tired socialist gambit here, but Canada and Europe are filled with OK-paid musicians who back up their tour budgets with grants and publicly/privately sponsored events; their recordings are paid for by licensing deals; they have jobs, too, that don't necessarily require insurance plans.
I don't think any argument can be made about "life sucks for American musicians" without getting to the root of the problem, which imo is America's health care system. Blaming an intern for not taking care of a depressed/addicted songwriter and a paraplegic/depressed songwriter and citing "medical bills piling up" is a reenforcement of free market economic stupidity
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
Like how can there possibly be a creative class if people have to pay $500 for herpes medication
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
i missed the part where Lowery blamed the intern for not looking after songwriters
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
I used to have Einstürzende Neubauten earrings, but I don't think they were official merch.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
Joe Perry: yo Steve is our tour accounting done yet? bills kinda stacking up here.Steven Tyler: yeah I got it, I've been kind of putting off forwarding itJoe Perry: what do you mean? that was our best tour since Pump, couldn't believe some of those gate numbers! was it time to pay the insurance again or something?Steven Tyler: no, Joe, it's -- it's the tie pins. We're going to have to eat a lot of money on the Aerosmith tie pins.Joe Perry: well, it's just a merch item, right? How much money's left after we eat the tie pins?Steven Tyler: After we eat the tie pins -- carry the 5, right, decimal over three places...there is no money after we eat the tie pins
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think you're supposed to eat them. They're kind of pointy.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
xp and then they ate the rich and it was all good again
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure aerosmith could find an alternate use for pins
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
@ Que actually he does it pretty explicitly, buttressed by "of course I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, I'm just telling you to donate ~$2.5K in their memory"
I present these two stories to you not because I’m pointing fingers or want to shame you. I just want to illustrate that “small” personal decisions have very real consequences, particularly when millions of people make the decision not to compensate artists they supposedly “love”
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
The artist only has to “repay” (or “recoup”) the advance from record sales. If there are no or insufficient record sales, the advance is written off by the record company.
I haven't had any first-hand experience with this, but is that even remotely accurate?
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
just as i get albini wanting to make this about the '90s alterna-singing craze, i get a canadian wanting to make this aboot health care
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
listen everyone just download shit but you don't have to be such a dick that you brag about it in a NPR thinkpiece ok?
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
that's cause it is. The article is about Linkous and Chesnutt being abandoned xp
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see him placing any blame in what he's saying that not paying for music has real consequences, but he never once says that the intern is to blame/has to take care of songwriters.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^^^
^^^
^
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
oops let's try that again
i don't see him placing any blame. he's saying that not paying for music has real consequences, but he never once says that the intern is to blame/has to take care of songwriters. the article is not about songwriters being abandoned, and if that's your takeaway you are missing the point
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
most people I know don't actually give a shit about illegal downloading & do it themselves but it's hard not to feel a unique strain of contempt when some nicely dressed kid smoking Rothmans goes out of his way to say "I love your stuff...I don't actually own any of it" [feigned shrinking-back-from-anticipated-attack gesture here] "Sorry, I'm" a) "poor" b) "evil"
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
does he make scare quotes when he says evil or does he pronounce it like Richard Burton?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
her last paragraph is so hilarious
What I want is one massive Spotify-like catalog of music that will sync to my phone and various home entertainment devices. With this new universal database, everyone would have convenient access to everything that has ever been recorded, and performance royalties would be distributed based on play counts (hopefully with more money going back to the artist than the present model). All I require is the ability to listen to what I want, when I want and how I want it. Is that too much to ask?
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
@ Que: he ends the article by suggesting the intern make cash donations with links xp
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
is my rhetorical question piquant?
As far as I'm concerned, he is telling the intern (and the music absorbing masses) that it is their responsibility to take care of the creative class
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
Jeez aero I'm always blustering when you're clowning we need to syncronize
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
Is that too much to ask?
the short answer is yes.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
he is telling the intern (and the music absorbing masses) that it is their responsibility to take care of the creative class
it would have been cool if he threw in a "or maybe campaign for universal healthcare if you aren't already" but i'm not mad he offered an outlet for dealing with plausible guilt after guilt-tripping
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
the only part of it that's too much to ask (i.e. unlikely to happen within the next few years) is the part where artists get a higher royalty rate than they currently do
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
notice how that last paragraph contains nothing about her paying for this universal database
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
3. How do you discover music at the radio station?
EW: Some of the fondest memories of my college experience have been sitting on the floor of the station on Sunday afternoons ripping towering stacks of CDs onto my laptop. My personal library more then tripped after becoming a part of college radio. I discover new music through being a DJ every week. At our station, we have music staff to write reviews for every new album we select for the station. Every review includes a RIYL (Rip If You Like) label with similar artists and I often use this as a guide as to what I might like.
http://imaginepr.net/2012/04/27/quickfire-qa-emily-white-music-director-wvau-radio/
― buzza, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link