Like how can there possibly be a creative class if people have to pay $500 for herpes medication
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
i missed the part where Lowery blamed the intern for not looking after songwriters
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
I used to have Einstürzende Neubauten earrings, but I don't think they were official merch.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
Joe Perry: yo Steve is our tour accounting done yet? bills kinda stacking up here.Steven Tyler: yeah I got it, I've been kind of putting off forwarding itJoe Perry: what do you mean? that was our best tour since Pump, couldn't believe some of those gate numbers! was it time to pay the insurance again or something?Steven Tyler: no, Joe, it's -- it's the tie pins. We're going to have to eat a lot of money on the Aerosmith tie pins.Joe Perry: well, it's just a merch item, right? How much money's left after we eat the tie pins?Steven Tyler: After we eat the tie pins -- carry the 5, right, decimal over three places...there is no money after we eat the tie pins
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think you're supposed to eat them. They're kind of pointy.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
xp and then they ate the rich and it was all good again
― cwkiii, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure aerosmith could find an alternate use for pins
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
@ Que actually he does it pretty explicitly, buttressed by "of course I'm not saying this to make you feel bad, I'm just telling you to donate ~$2.5K in their memory"
I present these two stories to you not because I’m pointing fingers or want to shame you. I just want to illustrate that “small” personal decisions have very real consequences, particularly when millions of people make the decision not to compensate artists they supposedly “love”
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
The artist only has to “repay” (or “recoup”) the advance from record sales. If there are no or insufficient record sales, the advance is written off by the record company.
I haven't had any first-hand experience with this, but is that even remotely accurate?
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
just as i get albini wanting to make this about the '90s alterna-singing craze, i get a canadian wanting to make this aboot health care
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
listen everyone just download shit but you don't have to be such a dick that you brag about it in a NPR thinkpiece ok?
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
that's cause it is. The article is about Linkous and Chesnutt being abandoned xp
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
i don't see him placing any blame in what he's saying that not paying for music has real consequences, but he never once says that the intern is to blame/has to take care of songwriters.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^^^
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― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
oops let's try that again
i don't see him placing any blame. he's saying that not paying for music has real consequences, but he never once says that the intern is to blame/has to take care of songwriters. the article is not about songwriters being abandoned, and if that's your takeaway you are missing the point
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
most people I know don't actually give a shit about illegal downloading & do it themselves but it's hard not to feel a unique strain of contempt when some nicely dressed kid smoking Rothmans goes out of his way to say "I love your stuff...I don't actually own any of it" [feigned shrinking-back-from-anticipated-attack gesture here] "Sorry, I'm" a) "poor" b) "evil"
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
does he make scare quotes when he says evil or does he pronounce it like Richard Burton?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
her last paragraph is so hilarious
What I want is one massive Spotify-like catalog of music that will sync to my phone and various home entertainment devices. With this new universal database, everyone would have convenient access to everything that has ever been recorded, and performance royalties would be distributed based on play counts (hopefully with more money going back to the artist than the present model). All I require is the ability to listen to what I want, when I want and how I want it. Is that too much to ask?
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
@ Que: he ends the article by suggesting the intern make cash donations with links xp
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
is my rhetorical question piquant?
As far as I'm concerned, he is telling the intern (and the music absorbing masses) that it is their responsibility to take care of the creative class
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
Jeez aero I'm always blustering when you're clowning we need to syncronize
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
Is that too much to ask?
the short answer is yes.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
he is telling the intern (and the music absorbing masses) that it is their responsibility to take care of the creative class
it would have been cool if he threw in a "or maybe campaign for universal healthcare if you aren't already" but i'm not mad he offered an outlet for dealing with plausible guilt after guilt-tripping
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
the only part of it that's too much to ask (i.e. unlikely to happen within the next few years) is the part where artists get a higher royalty rate than they currently do
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
notice how that last paragraph contains nothing about her paying for this universal database
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
3. How do you discover music at the radio station?
EW: Some of the fondest memories of my college experience have been sitting on the floor of the station on Sunday afternoons ripping towering stacks of CDs onto my laptop. My personal library more then tripped after becoming a part of college radio. I discover new music through being a DJ every week. At our station, we have music staff to write reviews for every new album we select for the station. Every review includes a RIYL (Rip If You Like) label with similar artists and I often use this as a guide as to what I might like.
http://imaginepr.net/2012/04/27/quickfire-qa-emily-white-music-director-wvau-radio/
― buzza, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
she probably pays the Spotify fee to not have her stream interrupted by ads. and would probably pay more than she's paying now.
or at least, i would. i mean, Spotify brings me about as much enjoyment as my cable TV package, but i pay like 20 times as much to have the whole enchilada with HBO and everything else as i do for Spotify. xpost
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
All I require is the ability to listen to what I want, when I want and how I want it.
if someone said this about, I dunno, food or clothing or shelter they would rightly be laughed off the face of the earth
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
physical media is totally stupid and retrograde buuuut....
EW: It’s a largely digital industry now. The number of digital albums we receive far outweigh the physical CDs. In that way, it’s almost smarter to send us a physical CD or physical promotional items– they are much more likely to get my attention. A CD with interesting packaging by an artist or label I’ve never heard of is more likely to be listened to then something in a plastic sleeve. I love getting posters, stickers and buttons in the mail. Including a hand-written note is also a sure-fire way to get my attention.
....please spend a lot of time and effort on making it because it will help you get MY ATTENTION
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i got a tooooon of music via my college radio days but this is so far through the looking glass that i don't understand begrudging the ghost of pitch-a-tent his chain rattle
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
i don't understand
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
honestly, physical music media is over for most of the world and always will be from hereon out. doesn't really matter how or why it happened, i just hope that someone finds a way for people who make music to not be totally SOL because of it in a way that doesn't involve a bunch of us nerds who still fetishize physical product demanding everyone else be more like us.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
sorry that was an except from my beat poem about the death of '80s indie rock. I just mean I've been where this college DJ/tastemaker person is on the privilege scale, but she's so openly glib about her spoils that I don't understand why people want to begrudge lowery (who ran a diy label in 1985 donchaknow) his guilt-trip/factoid pull
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
so you understand the difference between a good that can be reproduced a million times for no cost and one that can't? hmmmm, interesting
her idea is a legit one, but the idea of Spotify being free or only $5 a month or whatever is absurd. but yes this is the future of everything
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
and yeah, while i plan to become a real patron of the arts if and when i go up an economic notch, that will really only benefit guys like David Lowery, and not the horseshit only a new college student could love
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
xpost to croup
ah ok i agree w/that
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
frogs don't ever say "hmmm, interesting" again k
music is not produced at no cost frogbs thx for playing
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
fine, so long as you stop posting altogether
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
Just curious, how many of y'all are gonna lay off by July 11th? Oh sorry. IF YOU DID download shit, would that hypothetical you quit doing so in about two weeks?
― Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
Hypothetical me probably will tbqh.
either you're intentionally trying to misunderstand this so you can get off an invaluable quip like "thx for playing" or you truly are that dumb
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
since i got addicted to Spotify pretty much the only things i download anymore are things i buy or that are sent to me by the artist/label. which is why i'm hoping there's gold in them thar clouds for musicians somewhere down the line.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
I only d/l things that are either by old, rich and/or dead people, or out of print and otherwise unavailable. won't dl anything from current artists trying to make a living, just on principle. don't do subscription services either, cuz they don't pay us shit.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
yeah not really. reproduction and production of music don't happen for free (servers cost money! recording costs money! engineers cost money!) etc
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
spotify's sated my "everything i want, when i want it, now" internet urges, but good luck guilting me off a legal streaming service
― da croupier, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
I have avoided knowingly downloading free non-artist-sanctioned music without payment for a good... 8 years now; it's not really that difficult
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link