The RIAA Armageddon has begun

Jeez aero I'm always blustering when you're clowning we need to syncronize

Is that too much to ask?

the short answer is yes.

he is telling the intern (and the music absorbing masses) that it is their responsibility to take care of the creative class

it would have been cool if he threw in a "or maybe campaign for universal healthcare if you aren't already" but i'm not mad he offered an outlet for dealing with plausible guilt after guilt-tripping

the only part of it that's too much to ask (i.e. unlikely to happen within the next few years) is the part where artists get a higher royalty rate than they currently do

notice how that last paragraph contains nothing about her paying for this universal database

3. How do you discover music at the radio station?

EW: Some of the fondest memories of my college experience have been sitting on the floor of the station on Sunday afternoons ripping towering stacks of CDs onto my laptop. My personal library more then tripped after becoming a part of college radio. I discover new music through being a DJ every week. At our station, we have music staff to write reviews for every new album we select for the station. Every review includes a RIYL (Rip If You Like) label with similar artists and I often use this as a guide as to what I might like.

http://imaginepr.net/2012/04/27/quickfire-qa-emily-white-music-director-wvau-radio/

she probably pays the Spotify fee to not have her stream interrupted by ads. and would probably pay more than she's paying now.

or at least, i would. i mean, Spotify brings me about as much enjoyment as my cable TV package, but i pay like 20 times as much to have the whole enchilada with HBO and everything else as i do for Spotify. xpost

notice how that last paragraph contains nothing about her paying for this universal database

^^^

All I require is the ability to listen to what I want, when I want and how I want it.

if someone said this about, I dunno, food or clothing or shelter they would rightly be laughed off the face of the earth

physical media is totally stupid and retrograde buuuut....

EW: It’s a largely digital industry now. The number of digital albums we receive far outweigh the physical CDs. In that way, it’s almost smarter to send us a physical CD or physical promotional items– they are much more likely to get my attention. A CD with interesting packaging by an artist or label I’ve never heard of is more likely to be listened to then something in a plastic sleeve. I love getting posters, stickers and buttons in the mail. Including a hand-written note is also a sure-fire way to get my attention.

....please spend a lot of time and effort on making it because it will help you get MY ATTENTION

yeah i got a tooooon of music via my college radio days but this is so far through the looking glass that i don't understand begrudging the ghost of pitch-a-tent his chain rattle

i don't understand

honestly, physical music media is over for most of the world and always will be from hereon out. doesn't really matter how or why it happened, i just hope that someone finds a way for people who make music to not be totally SOL because of it in a way that doesn't involve a bunch of us nerds who still fetishize physical product demanding everyone else be more like us.

^

sorry that was an except from my beat poem about the death of '80s indie rock. I just mean I've been where this college DJ/tastemaker person is on the privilege scale, but she's so openly glib about her spoils that I don't understand why people want to begrudge lowery (who ran a diy label in 1985 donchaknow) his guilt-trip/factoid pull

if someone said this about, I dunno, food or clothing or shelter they would rightly be laughed off the face of the earth

so you understand the difference between a good that can be reproduced a million times for no cost and one that can't? hmmmm, interesting

her idea is a legit one, but the idea of Spotify being free or only $5 a month or whatever is absurd. but yes this is the future of everything

and yeah, while i plan to become a real patron of the arts if and when i go up an economic notch, that will really only benefit guys like David Lowery, and not the horseshit only a new college student could love

xpost to croup

ah ok i agree w/that

frogs don't ever say "hmmm, interesting" again k

music is not produced at no cost frogbs thx for playing

fine, so long as you stop posting altogether

Just curious, how many of y'all are gonna lay off by July 11th? Oh sorry. IF YOU DID download shit, would that hypothetical you quit doing so in about two weeks?

Hypothetical me probably will tbqh.

music is not produced at no cost frogbs thx for playing

either you're intentionally trying to misunderstand this so you can get off an invaluable quip like "thx for playing" or you truly are that dumb

since i got addicted to Spotify pretty much the only things i download anymore are things i buy or that are sent to me by the artist/label. which is why i'm hoping there's gold in them thar clouds for musicians somewhere down the line.

I only d/l things that are either by old, rich and/or dead people, or out of print and otherwise unavailable. won't dl anything from current artists trying to make a living, just on principle. don't do subscription services either, cuz they don't pay us shit.

either you're intentionally trying to misunderstand this so you can get off an invaluable quip like "thx for playing" or you truly are that dumb

yeah not really. reproduction and production of music don't happen for free (servers cost money! recording costs money! engineers cost money!) etc

spotify's sated my "everything i want, when i want it, now" internet urges, but good luck guilting me off a legal streaming service

Just curious, how many of y'all are gonna lay off by July 11th? Oh sorry. IF YOU DID download shit, would that hypothetical you quit doing so in about two weeks?

I have avoided knowingly downloading free non-artist-sanctioned music without payment for a good... 8 years now; it's not really that difficult

Old people can be poor, Shakey.

I know that, that's why I put "rich" after it. Like, I don't feel bad about d/l'ing Neil Young albums, for ex. I've given that dude a lot of money over the years, and he's already richer than god.

yeah not really. reproduction and production of music don't happen for free (servers cost money! recording costs money! engineers cost money!) etc

yes hence why I said "reproduced" and not "produced". obviously someone has to pay some small amount for bandwidth or if they want to store it on a server but I'm saying that just copying data doesn't cost anything, hence why that analogy doesn't even worse on the simplest level

it works as an analogy because producing music - like food, shelter, or clothing - costs money, no matter how much you would like to think otherwise.

The fact that costs are nominal or extremely spread does not mean they are nonexistent.

i don't plan to change anything but i've already mostly stopped downloading in favor of spotify so it doesn't matter much. i think i would pay as much as $30 a month for spotify before even considering going back to a Life of Crime, so $10 is a bargain

it works as an analogy because producing music - like food, shelter, or clothing - costs money, no matter how much you would like to think otherwise.

lol @ "no matter how much you would like to think otherwise", give me a break, I spend tons on this shit

you're still not understanding this very basic principle so I'm not really sure what to say. this is the same type of logic that leads the RIAA to sue teenagers for six-figure amounts. if I still all your food or clothes and throw it away, then you're cold and hungry. if I downloaded all your albums and didn't listen to them, literally nothing would change

ok obviously that should be *steal*

Speaking as a musician, I blame Spotify users more than casual downloaders for the shitty state of the music industry.

I mean does frogbs really think that Megaupload's operating costs were $0? Or that the costs of all nodes of a bittorrent transfer sum to $0? Because . . . no.

if I still all your food or clothes and throw it away, then you're cold and hungry. if I downloaded all your albums and didn't listen to them, literally nothing would change

wait what? did I make all my own food and clothing in this scenario, in addition to all my albums? I don't understand.

xp i don't. i'm not talking about transferring data, i'm just talking about copying it.

keep digging

wait what? did I make all my own food and clothing in this scenario, in addition to all my albums? I don't understand.

does it matter?

i mean clearly you're going to do your best to misinterpret a pretty simple concept in order to get more lame digs on me, what's the point of arguing if you don't understand why you can't stream a pancake

Oh, I get it, he's assuming away input costs. OK. But then he's also assuming away opportunity costs, e.g., an artist saying, "Well, I could record this new song or album, but given that a bunch of knobs on the internet are just going to download it without paying, I could also just take an extra shift at the print shop and actually make money."

xp i'm not talking about transferring data, i'm just talking about copying it.

what is this i don't even

I can stream a pancake but I have to eat it first

Transferring is copying. Copying is transferring. Opportunity costs are real costs. Every MB of a hard drive taken up by music you copied from CDs at the library is an MB that can't be allotted to something else. This is simple shit, here.

this thread is a lot more fun after i gave up caring and just decided to watch shakey and frogbs and iatee circle around each in a festive dance of faulty logic and useless generalizations

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i'm not talking about transferring data, i'm just talking about copying it.

god this is so fucking stupid. it's like you think the only point at which money was required in the music industry is at the point of sale of a physical product. But when you bought an album you weren't just paying for the physical costs of pressing and distributing an album, you were paying for the engineers, for the studio time, for the gear used, for the time the artist spent writing and creating the material, for the promotional costs, etc etc. This is because the purchase of the physical product was the most reliable point in the chain of music created -> you listening to it from which to extract financial compensation. Now that that's gone, there is NO point in the chain through which the musician can financially recoup their expenses for creating a piece of recorded work.

xp

I might use the time to finally get Spotify.