i have found that while it's important to feel occupationally fulfilled in some regard (i have continued to write despite having an unrelated day job), there are so many other areas of life that are important too. is it better to be happy at work and then go home and cry about bills piling up and debt and getting into fights with your significant other about money, and struggling to pay rent, or better to maybe feel unfulfilled at work and then have all that other stuff a little bit worked out? i mean, the choice is not an exact binary. even at uninspiring jobs you can find things to be proud about and ways to deploy your specific talents + skills in a satisfying way. and obv there are those that figure out how to live doing their dream jobs (even if that means cutting back in other areas). it's not just about luxury tho. maybe you want to start a family and now you need to move into a bigger place, buy diapers, pay for childcare, etc. it's not just the path of least resistance. sometimes you shuffle your priorities.
(nb i use the second person a lot here but i think it's obv that i'm talking a large bit about my own experiences...)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
I think that's all reasonable. I'm someone who very much based my job decision on a balance of salary, time to see family and opportunity for advancement rather than what I would find most interesting or meaningful (although it's not completely bereft of interest). But I don't think that's how Yale grads are deciding their jobs. I think it's more "here's an easy way I can get a job without having to really go out and compete, and I will continue to be told I'm special and get paid handsomely"
― click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 27 June 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
christ. didn't know about the author. :-(
― s.clover, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5924881/22+year+old-is-very-upset-that-she-didnt-get-to-be-poor-for-a-while
― iatee, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link
you can pretty easily get yourself into credit card debt and eat ramen every day even if you have money iirc
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
other than that I don't really have anything to say about this 22-year-old who has crazy-sounding ideas about what she thinks her life should be
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 02:21 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/kfc-urges-loser-college-grads-stop-living-their-parents-141949
― iatee, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:47 (eleven years ago) link
thoughtcatalog, i kno. http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/get-a-job-the-craigslist-experiment/
― s.clover, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
smh at the coffee stain graph
― where can i get a mcdonalds quesadilla tho (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 03:52 (eleven years ago) link
gotta say tho if I ever have to sift through 626 resumes I am tossing every single one with a spelling error
― where can i get a mcdonalds quesadilla tho (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link
because you gotta decide somehow
KATHRIN 3 days agoThis is interesting and well written. Find yourself a grad student in Math and you’ve got your job. I want more articles of a “pop math” variety exploring the numbers of everyday life. Not only are they interesting and engaging, these types of stories provide the groundwork for helping “us” (entrepreneurs) know what industries we should be attacking.
― iatee, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link
i should unbookmark this thread. every time it's updated, ten minutes later i'm depressed
― Mordy, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
MATH GRAD STUDENT INTERN NEEDED FOR ONLINE STARTUP
― iatee, Tuesday, 31 July 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
I think that's a spam bot
― where can i get a mcdonalds quesadilla tho (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5933249/even-the-well+off-find-college-unaffordable-now
― s.clover, Saturday, 11 August 2012 13:07 (eleven years ago) link
http://cew.georgetown.edu/collegeadvantage/
― s.clover, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
the problem w/ the articles like this is that they don't highlight the credentials inflation that's been going on. that's not the whole story, a lot of jobs do require more education ie the types in that manufacturing article, forget what thread that was. but 'you need a BA to get a retail/sales/caretaker job' doesn't really highlight the benefits of education, it highlights the benefits of having jumped over the BA bar in a period of 8% unemployment + continually increasing educational attainment %s.
http://www9.georgetown.edu/grad/gppi/hpi/cew/pdfs/CollegeAdvantage.FullReport.081512.pdf pg 31 mentions it - "low, middle and high education occupations are all hiring more educated workers in the current economic recovery than before the recession."
two pages later they counter w/ the stat that on a national level people w/ BAs make more than people w/ the same job and lower education = higher value than employers are willing to pay for. but that logic doesn't square w/ 'across all occupations, more educated workers are being hired'.
― iatee, Thursday, 16 August 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
rereading that 'ie' = 'eg' (goes back to college)
― iatee, Thursday, 16 August 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link
more on thishttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/17/education-and-the-recession-continued/http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-recession-for-college-grads
― iatee, Saturday, 18 August 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/how-young-homeowners-lost-out-by-buying/261612/
― iatee, Monday, 27 August 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
I've started to think people buying now are losing out too - rates are so low that long-term price appreciation is going to be dampened.
― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Monday, 27 August 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
well, as jj said in the suburbs thread, houses are for living in, not for long-term price appreciation
― iatee, Monday, 27 August 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.economist.com/node/21563725
― iatee, Friday, 28 September 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/degree-inflation-jobs-that-newly-require-b-a-s/
― iatee, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21567373-american-universities-represent-declining-value-money-their-students-not-what-it
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
reposted from quiddities, just to keep it all in one place: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/23/education/poor-students-struggle-as-class-plays-a-greater-role-in-success.html
― s.clover, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
it's a really good article. like shockingly good for the nyt.
― iatee, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/education/parents-financial-support-linked-to-college-grades.html?hp
Parents saving for college costs, take heed: A new national study has found that the more college money parents provide — whether in absolute terms or as a share of total costs — the lower their children’s college grades.Students from wealthy families are more likely than those from poor families to go to college, and those whose parents pay their way are more likely to graduate. But according to “More Is More or More Is Less? Parent Financial Investments During College,” a study by Laura Hamilton, a sociology professor at the University of California, Merced, greater parental contributions were linked with lower grades across all kinds of four-year institutions.
Students from wealthy families are more likely than those from poor families to go to college, and those whose parents pay their way are more likely to graduate. But according to “More Is More or More Is Less? Parent Financial Investments During College,” a study by Laura Hamilton, a sociology professor at the University of California, Merced, greater parental contributions were linked with lower grades across all kinds of four-year institutions.
hahahahaha
― j., Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
lol w/e
― (panda) (gun) (wrapped gift) (silby), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-has-alarming-level-of-pride-in-institution-tha,30853/
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:38 (eleven years ago) link
something something correlation causation
― s.clover, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 04:42 (eleven years ago) link
http://andrewgelman.com/2013/01/that-claim-that-students-whose-parents-pay-for-more-of-college-get-wors-grades/
― iatee, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
wow that study is worse than i could have imagined.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
Good postings.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 February 2013 05:08 (eleven years ago) link
I guess this is the rolling internship thread as well, right?
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/unpaid-internships-are-a-rich-girl-problem-and-also-a-real-problem/273106/
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/opportunity-costs-the-true-price-of-internships
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 February 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
I think the comparison w/ housework is a little forced
― iatee, Thursday, 14 February 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324432004578306610055834952.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read#project%3DBORROW021620130216%26articleTabs%3Dinteractive
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, this is starting to get to "Vinyl Lives!" levels. Is "people with arts degrees made bad life decisions" just the default slow day story now?
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
a 0% graduation rate is pretty damning
― :C (crüt), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
I mostly just linked it for the interactive chart
the historically black colleges have pretty bleak numbers. 27% default rate at morehouse, which is a fairly well-respected college.
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
How can anywhere have a 0℅ graduation rate?
― Head Cheerleader, Homecoming Queen and part-time model (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
well the requirements for graduation at devry university-oregon include solving the p vs np problem
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
negative-20k/year net cost at Berea College, nice...
I'm curious about why art colleges seem to be so expensive - are their fees really higher than everyone else, or is it just that they don't offer much financial aid? Can only rich people afford to attend?
― marc robot (seandalai), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
depends on your definition of 'afford' but those schools are often for-profit / don't have endowments / are small enough to not really have the economy of scales that big universities have
sorta case by case tho and you don't want to lump Berklee College of Music in w/ "International Academy of Design and Technology-Nashville"
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I figure a lot of the outliers are just that and Berklee etc. obviously have prestige but then there are "Southwest University of Visual Arts-Albuquerque" and "Ringling College of Art and Design", who are presumably (? idk really) not giving you a guaranteed money-spinner of a degree for your 40k per year.
― marc robot (seandalai), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
yep
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
I think a study showed that something like 20% of Juliard grads wound up earning a living from music.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
"Graduation rates include first-time, full-time undergraduates who began at the institution and completed a bachelor's degree within six years or associate's degree within three years."
I'd imagine a huge proportion of students at some of these schools aren't on degree tracks at all, so depending on how they calculate things this could be just asking the entirely wrong question.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
Ringling is actually a pretty well-respected school, for an art school.
― kate78, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:03 (eleven years ago) link