Dating Someone Who Suffers Panic Attacks

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i have terrible anxiety...haven't been ableto sleep for past 2 weeks cuz of upcmongi IN 3 MONTHS birthday...do i fucking request XANAX for it? fuck now. jim bean et al will take care of all yr worries and cost 1/10th the price. don't listen to the fucking drug-companie controlled srhinks. seriously. RESPONSIBLE self-medication is the way.

er wait actia;;y o do request xanax but that's diff...the lexapro shit they prescribe is just rotting in a closet somewhere.

it's just drug conspiracy bullshit and all those pshrinks u see are beholden to them like you wouldn't believe. just fuck the whole process really. maybe therapy or seomthing, not that i'd ever do it.

if this has nothing to do w/ this thread whasoever, sorry.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:14 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost No doubt, Tracer. But I only have my own experience to go on as far as offering advice goes.. I don't know Hurting or his/(her?) girlfriend.. if I did, then I'd have something more than "well, I take THIS drug" to say.

While I'm not anti-meds, I certainly don't resort to meds as a first solution to issues like these...(as I posted above.)

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I dunno I think - in lieu of an alteration of the chemical regimen which could very well work to keep her anxiety down, sorry donut I know you're trying to help - there's this further issue of putting it all on you when it gets to be too much. Which is not about pills or chemicals but about something else. I find that a good "are you KIDDING ME??" can work wonders in these situations.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm not sure what the point of "not giving in" would be, or what that exactly means in this situation to be honest."

Ok, but when it gets down to the moment of her feeling like she can't get through it without my help, but on the other hand I have other shit I need to do, should I give in or not?

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Tracer, maybe it can. Maybe it can't.

I tried months of non-meds related treatments when my panic attacks became really bad, but I eventually broke down and saw a psych, as I wasn't getting any better at all.. and it certainly has been the best solution (so far) in my case. That's all I'll say regarding my experience from here on out.

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:20 (nineteen years ago) link

(While remaining sympathetic of course)

xxpost Hurting I think at least with some people you have to make your case and you take it from there. "Look even if my whole day was clear, you know I can't STAND those places, the whole thing stresses me out! But today it's totally impossible, I'm up to my ears in things I gotta do! Look when you get home I'll (x) and then we'll (x)" And maybe she's not having any of it. Maybe she's just like I don't care you HAVE to come and help me. And then, I mean you have to go, don't you?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

But make the case, say exactly what's on your mind. It's something I've just come around to, really being whiny about shit, it's fun. I have a French girlfriend though.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link

No.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link

(x-post)

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurting, there's nothing wrong with being selfless.. that's a great quality in being a s/o to your gf.. even if it means having to make occasional sacrifices. but if your life has become totally subsumed by her anxiety modes, then that's not right. It's hard to say when it's right to give in, and when it's not right. That's up to your tolerance. But I think we all agree that there's a certain line that one should not cross, and you know this as well.. which is good.

Basically I'm giving the "not-so-tough love" accompanying answer to Tracer's very cogent "tough love" suggestion.

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, not so much tough love... as much as "I love you but I have my life too" love

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link

She's going to have to learn some self-reliance somehow.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude I think Bryan's the toughest by far!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I've gone through it recently, that's all. I am thinking of her almost more than him, believe it or not.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe you could give her a hard bite right on the ear, that would really send a message.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Give in? I think you should because at that very moment she's *unreasonable* (as in not being able to address it/talk about it). Later, when everything has calmed down, I would talk about possible solutions. I would talk with her, say how you feel about it. Even if you fight, it's better than not talking (about how you feel, etc).

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I just can't help but think she's acting like a child at those moments, and when has it ever paid to give in to a child's "tantrums"? Now I'm being unfair! Maybe not.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks everyone for the advice. I should probably go to bed now, seeing as it's 4:30 am and I've blown off some steam, but feel free to add -- I'll no doubt check tomorrow.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

It's very difficult, and I certainly didn't do it right when I dealt with it, so I'll back out now and just listen.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:34 (nineteen years ago) link

The worst is when it's totally obvious (to her) that you don't want to do (x), no matter how reasonable/unreasonable it is, but you don't come out and say it, and you're all like "uh well um I think that, I'm not sure if I've got time to, see there's this guy coming round and-" What's been working for me more is "THERE IS NOT A CHANCE IN HELL." Of course that may just be the beginning of the negotiation but it's good to put your best foot forward.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 16 January 2005 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The best part of this thread is the random John-interjections

Mediawhore, Sunday, 16 January 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Hi Hurting,

Just my .02 (with the obvious caveat that ultimately your girlfriend should look to the advice of an appropriate psychiatric/counseling professional, if it's really causing significant problems for either herself or your relationship):

With panic, as in much anxiety, assuming she doesn't want to be taking meds for the rest of her life, I think you should encourage her to seek Exposure Therapy as a recommended course of psychotherapeutic treatment. That form of therapy has to deal with, essentially, confronting the fear of what will happen head-on. For example, with the ramifications of a panic attack: "Afraid you're going to have a heart attack and die? Afraid you're going to go 'berzerk' and completely lose it? Okay, well...Bring It On! Let's see what happens when you get an attack..."

For example, if you knew someone who has a fear of getting into an elevator because the person envisions that the cables will snap and they will crash to the ground, you have to encourage the person to ride the elevator repeatedly...and not with feelings of trepidation (e.g., putting one foot in the elevator fearfully, then pulling it out, then back in, then finally stepping in and riding it, the whole time white-knuckled with the constant fear that it really is going to crash--a person who does this has done ZERO exposure). Exposure would mean stepping fully into the elevator with a sort of resigned attitude that "Okay, either this sucker crashes into the ground and kills me...or else it doesn't" and doing this for hours, multiple times per week, monitoring the results of whether it crashes or not. Same principle with OCD (fear of germs and contamination, etc.)

To use a metaphor, with anxiety, you have to throw away the chairs and whip you are using to 'ward off' the beast, and let the beast pounce on you: "Either kill me...or begone from my life!" Often, the best course (which, I reiterate, should be done under the care of a trained mental health professional) is to compose a hierarchy of situations she thinks will induce mild great panic, and going up the scale of these situations systematically.

Every opportunity to place yourself in a situation that *increases* anxiety is an opportunity to learn about it. Chances are, I'll bet she'll find that the beast does not have fangs. Best wishes!

Joe (Joe), Sunday, 16 January 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, that should say "mild to great"

Joe (Joe), Sunday, 16 January 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

The best part of this thread is the random John-interjections

um, no

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 16 January 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link


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