lydia lunch worship thread

I already know how to make apples with lace, which appears to be the cover recipe, but I still want to read it.

hmmmm

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/DD36709C-8474-4473-99BF-A8DC0F67972D-2101-000002242674110F_zps7206bc6c.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msfkUmns9Vo
think it's about the time of Honeymoon in Red cos a song from that is played as s/trk. Not sure if Some Velvet Morning/I Fell In Love With A Ghost is from same time or a bit earlier but I do think that features Genevieve McGuckin who's present here while Honeymoon doesn't as far as I recall.

http://thequietus.com/articles/13483-lydia-lunch-favourite-albums

right around Notorious B.I.G. this takes an unsettling turn, ramping up to a blurb on the Bo$$ album that spends most of its time talking about Miley Cyrus while doing an impression of black gangsterdom and pretty much ignores the album that the blurb is supposed to be about

so, you have Lydia Lunch saying shit about Miley Cyrus while doing pretty much exactly the kind of thing that made a whole bunch of (mostly black) people irritated with Miley Cyrus

sorry if this post isn't worshipful enough of Lydia Lunch for this thread but I tend to fall out of adulation mode when people start referring to themselves as "whiggers"

“You can take a whigger out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of this muthafuckin' whigger.”

jesus.

also one of her favorite records is by the black keys.

big vindication for me here, I've hated her stuff forever and back in my goff days she was pretty unavoidable and people dug her and I'd be like "no don't you see she sucks bad"

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/legacy/portraits/1789-1898/filmore.jpg

i remember reading her review of that union carbide prod album in forced exposure way back when. you could always tell which reviews were hers at a glance because of JESUS ALL FUCK ME CAPS STOOGES. anyway, yeah, great record.

i didn't realize that the other half of teenage jesus was vincent gallo

he wasn't and they wren't a duo.

thank you, Serious Cat

THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD xp

if yr talking about the band, he isn't on any of their recordings.

allegedly

Murder rap is one of my favourite genres of music. I don't think there's any murder rap around at the moment

that was where I started going "DANGER WILL ROBINSON" but I didn't expect the turn that happened

I've always had a place in my heart for Atomic Bongos. Always reminds me of Butt Bongo Fiesta. That's about it though.

ach, i love her anyway. saying ridiculous things and annoying people is her raison d'être. she has made a ton of great records, is a most entertaining live performers and is surprisingly sweet in real life.

she exemplifies a particular strain of loudly transgressive moron. like if you made a papier-maché performance artist out of a stack of re/search books.

Atomic Bongos and the one with Rowland S. Howard are classics, but yeah she always struck me as not being, how to put this, the brightest black crayon in the goth box

Have you heard her current thing, the Big Sexy Bloozehammer thing? It's as painful as a George Thorogood opening act at Rockoberfest. Which pains me especially cause I love the Gallon Drunk guys who are backing her. But as aero says, it's hardly a case of the might having fallen. Amazed at the company she's been able to keep.

Bit rich for ILM to be down on talking about Miley considering the 10,000 post thread on that subject. And if she wants to call herself a Whigger let her. God, ILM has become so fucking sanctimonious lately. It's Lydia Lunch folks. There is no vindication to be had from her "unsettling" you poor saps since being unsettling is her thing.

everything but reading comprehension, apparently

good to know Lydia Lunch has always expressed vaguely racist Mandingo-worship tendencies though, I didn't know this about her

Well, now you know that I guess.

but yeah she always struck me as not being, how to put this, the brightest black crayon in the goth box

f**k this. really!

f**k spelling it whigger on that william henry harrison shit anyway

Xp Why is that? No troll

How about you firstly tell us why you think she is unintelligent.

well there's http://thequietus.com/articles/13483-lydia-lunch-favourite-albums

it sounds more like an older person trying to sound "relevant" than anything else

why would LYDIA LUNCH of all people need to worry about sounding relevant, and why would she big-up Bo$$ if that's what she was trying to do?

what does "need to worry" have to do with it? That's what it sounds like to me -- it's like when older white try to seem "down" and use language that used to be acceptable when discussing black people that now comes off as racist and pandering

This thread is relevant to this discussion (from the part where the Lester Bangs essay comes up):
black people and punk rock

was that language ever really "acceptable"?

the bo$$ bit reads better if you imagine her saying "they gotta go down" in a keanu reeves voice.

she sounds a bit like Bea Arthur in person

the bo$$ bit reads better if you imagine her saying "they gotta go down" in a keanu reeves lord custos voice.

I'm not arguing that what she said wasn't cringeworthy in its use of racist language -- I think we can agree there, crut? Dan?

What I am arguing is that by her selections she is trying to position herself as still culturally relevant and engaged and not a 50-something year old female musician that is best known for things she did about 30 years ago so who gives a shit now? And it is totally in character for her not to pick her top whatever indie albums on some indie blog, because she doesn't want to be "corny indie," and being into "hardcore" rap is a great way to signify that you aren't corny indie -- this is something ilx can relate to.

Is the problem what she likes or how she talks about what she likes?

how she talks about what she likes

It does make me happy that she gave props to Carla Bozulich and Weasel Walter, musicians I think are great and am friends with -- so you can all take my defense with that in mind

it sounds more like an older person trying to sound "relevant" than anything else

sarahell otm. the rap write-ups made me cringe (not to mention the black keys as "the best of junior kimbrough"), but the pathos of age keeps me from getting too worked up about it.

haha, i had the thought, "I wonder if Lydia would like Chief Keef," which then reminded me that I am also getting up there in years so

You guys know that all those rap albums are ancient. Almost 20 years old.

no one is saying that she was successful at her quest for Carlesian relevance

blogito ergo sum

i'm not questioning whether she honestly likes rap - obv she does! - i just think the voice she uses in her Bo$$ anecdote is gross, and the word "wigger" is gross (otoh i'm getting very minor lols from imagining her saying it with an aspirated "wh")

Anybody read Paradoxia? I thought it sounded interesting, some people say she makes herself sound like a terrible person.

This video is creeping me out:

http://vimeo.com/100276935

What is this all about?

She kinda looks good without a nose. Often, when I contemplate the pleasure that certain faces give me, I ruin the moment by thinking how arbitrary the configuration of faces is: two eyes above a nose above a freaky hole of lips and tongue and the horrorshow of teeth. We find it all lovely, of course, but it's easy to put yourself in the shoes of an alien who would find it pretty grotesque! Nevertheless, watching this video, I realise I am OK with moderate adjustments to the standard template.

I listened to one episode of this, had Wolf Eyes on. Yeah, it was kinda just uncomfortable and cringe-y more than anything. The repeated horndog come-on’s directed to the band were blech. Show might be unlistenable if it weren’t for the cohost mediating and directing things along. But… it’s Lydia Lunch, so I guess none of that’s surprising.

I enjoyed her set when she came through a few years ago.

She was a bit like that in the Thirlwell interview and she's lived with him for 7 years

The best episodes of her podcast are the ones where the guest knows how to work with her and throw back, otherwise she'll just steamroller through it all until she gets bored. I recall that episodes with Byron Coley, Martin Rev, and Jerry Stahl were great.

Ran across this interview with her on the Women of Rock Oral History Project YT channel. It's worth the time, especially if you thought The War Is Never Over doc was good, but not great. She's more funny, honest and open here than I've seen in other interviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wwvQx2Wzas

Kino Lorber just put The War Is Never Over on their YT channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgDa55EslRA

Unexpected line-up of Lydia Lunch and David J at the Monty Bar in downtown LA last night. Difficult and mostly negative vibes - the guitarist backing LL wasn't really paying attention to her words and playing the wrong kind of riffs. She was getting pissed (in both meanings), but from out of nowhere she broke into Bowie's "Time" and when she got to the "Time, he flexes like a whore" verse it was kinda brilliant and transcendent in a fractured way. She should record it.

David J came on with a band and played two songs: a destructo cover of The Birthday Party's "Deep In The Woods" and a straight-up glam cabaret version of "Alabama Song." Thank you good night?