A thread for the Cure reissues

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Heheh, I had that bootleg for a while. Ripped the few tracks I needed from it and sent it on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay I'll keep the version of Forever in there, thanks.

*Didn't they do "A Japanese Dream" on The Kissing Tour? I need a live version of that.*

There's a good version of A Japanese Dream from a BBC broadcast in Birmingham 87. What other Kiss Me tracks are we interested in?

At the moment I'm digging out 84/Top-era stuff, got lovely versions of The Wailing Wall, The Empty World and Caterpillar lined up, oh and Secrets!

Also I found an early version of Charlotte Sometimes too that I'd totally forgotten about, the second time played live according to Bob.

Please keep the suggestions coming, they are really helpful.

No idea about Ariel, will check up if they played it ever.

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Nope, only the Kid Jensen session version, I could include that.

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

We need to keep an eye out for tracks that they rarely ever play like "The 13th" and "The Snakepit".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Seconding Dan there. Hearing what they do live with the rare ones is always a treat.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Got a couple of Snakepits, also have a version of The 13th (it was only played 5 times) quality is not amazing as it's an audience recording, but it's quite listenable, with a bit of tweaking it should be okay.

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Was "The 13th" the most immediately ignored-by-the-band lead single from an album ever?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

When in Hell are they going to release all those BBC Sessions anyway?
Never. They are holding them back to spite you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Looks like the "Japanese Whispers" songs will all be part of the "The Top" reissue. Unless they reissue "Japanese Whispers" itself, but I doubt that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

As Ned mentioned above:

Good lord, so the next set of rereleases will cover the Glove, Japanese Whispers stuffage in some form and The Top. OH HOW SAD AND HORRIBLE.

Also, Japanese Whispers is right around the time when The Cure started doing more 12" remixes (even though there is an extended version of "Primary" that, AFAIR, isn't on the Faith reissue), so I assume those remixes will populate that reissue. Also, when was Concert recorded and released? Maybe, it might be a two-fer?

Who knows?

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Concert was recorded/released following The Top, and is notable because it captures the lineup in transition towards (but not yet near) Thee Classic Smith/Gallup/Thompson/Williams/Tolhurst songwriting credit era of yore. A two-fer is entirely possible -- and indeed, I muttered my wish on that above. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm excited about the Japanese Whispers, Blue Sunshine, and The Top reissues... but I have to admit.. I wish I cold fast forward time and get to the Head On The Door, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, and Disintegration reissues.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, if we want to include remixes *and* live tracks, the latter two might have to be THREE disc reissues... DARN!

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Virtue is a patience. Besides, sometimes I secretly think The Top is, if not the best album Robert ever did, in ways the most bizarrely adventurous -- almost completely schizophrenic sonically, a solo album in all but name, at once extremely dreamy and very aggressive. Any album with "Shake Dog Shake," "Wailing Wall," "Give Me It," "Dressing Up," and the title track on it -- *and* had "The Caterpillar" as a lead single! -- is at once wonderful and completely off balance. Sure, Kiss Me in ways parallels the same sprawling sense and then some, but in a way that's more band-centered as opposed to run amuck in the studio.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I really love The Top as well. There are a ton of demos for that LP--I hope he does Concert separately--perhaps the full concert even!

If I could add some suggestions for the Curiosity Mark II disc(s):

The 'Fuck Robert Palmer! Fuck rock 'n' roll!' version of A Forest 07/05/1981 Werchter

The 'Tienanmen Sq.' version of Faith 06/04/1989 Rome

Birdmad Girl encore 05/30/1984 s'Hertogenbosch

Any 'Do You Wanna Touch' version from 1985

I also second Harold and Joe '91, Lament (Bath)'83 and the T&C versions of Wish songs--especially The Big Hand.

Someone was asking about a studio version of Forever--I think there is an odd Peel session of that. And Ariel I always thought was more of a Robert Smith solo outing so I don't believe it was ever done live.

Nicholas, Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

The 'Fuck Robert Palmer! Fuck rock 'n' roll!' version of A Forest 07/05/1981 Werchter

Yep.

The 'Tienanmen Sq.' version of Faith 06/04/1989 Rome

Don't have it I'm afraid, if someone wants to send me a lossless version I'll include it, I always thought it was a bit embarrasing to be honest!

Birdmad Girl encore 05/30/1984 s'Hertogenbosch

Yep.

Any 'Do You Wanna Touch' version from 1985

I've got one from 81, I'll A/B it against any 85 versions I have.

I also second Harold and Joe '91, Lament (Bath)'83 and the T&C versions of Wish songs--especially The Big Hand.

Great, thanks!

mzui (mzui), Thursday, 5 May 2005 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I found an early version of Charlotte Sometimes too that I'd totally forgotten about, the second time played live according to Bob.

if this is the one I think it might be, I could possibly get a very very good quality copy sorted

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Jeez--sorry I don't have a lossless version of The 'Tienanmen Sq.' Faith... Yeah, it is kind of embarrassing and over the top but I kind of like that--I want to squirm!

Nicholas, Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

donut as soon as you're done compiling the PRince 12" stuff, your next project is the Cure 12" project.

don weiner, Thursday, 5 May 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Also I found an early version of Charlotte Sometimes too that I'd totally forgotten about, the second time played live according to Bob.
if this is the one I think it might be, I could possibly get a very very good quality copy sorted

Kit, It's from a gig at The Capitol Theatre Sydney in 81.

mzui (mzui), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

The Glove reissue has nothing to do with this campaign. Japanese Whispers, having already been covered with Greatest Hits and Join The Dots will not be in the next batch. The next batch, out in September, will be comprised of The Head On The Door, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, and Disintegration. You heard it here first.

sasssafrass, Thursday, 5 May 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

And The Top. Four in the next batch.

sassafrass, Thursday, 5 May 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Shucky darn. But, Concert?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 May 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha, maybe they're watching this thread for ideas before re-releasing concert.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 5 May 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

You scared me for a minute there sassafrass! I thought The Top would again be relegated to "black sheep of Cure albums" status. That's the one I want most to hear remastered and also the one which I think will have the best rarities.

Seb (Seb), Thursday, 5 May 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Kind of remember reading a Robert Smith interview once where he said The Top had been mastered at the wrong speed (I think he meant "pressed", but "mastered" was the word he used). Wonder if that'll be corrected. Either way, I love it as it stands and can't wait for the reissue, along with Blue Sunshine.
How many Glove rarities have popped up on bootlegs?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 6 May 2005 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Whatever became of the female vocalist for The Glove?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 6 May 2005 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"Besides, sometimes I secretly think The Top is, if not the best album Robert ever did, in ways the most bizarrely adventurous -- almost completely schizophrenic sonically, a solo album in all but name, at once extremely dreamy and very aggressive. Any album with "Shake Dog Shake," "Wailing Wall," "Give Me It," "Dressing Up," and the title track on it -- *and* had "The Caterpillar" as a lead single! -- is at once wonderful and completely off balance"

totally OTM

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Thirded indeed. I often think this is actually my favorite Cure album.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

There was a good long while where The Top was my favorite Cure album, mostly because it's completely awesome but partially because I was trying to avoid the Pornography/Disintegration stereotype. Eventually "Siamese Twins" won me over but MAN The Top is awesome.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

The Top is the first Cure album I ever owned and so still ranks as my favorite. I was always surprised to see that it was generally thought of as one of their lesser albums (by critics, or something)

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 6 May 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

It's also astoundingly out of place for 1984 if you think about stereotypes of what music was supposed to be like in a time and place.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I was always surprised to see that it was generally thought of as one of their lesser albums (by critics, or something)

because critics are often oh! so lazy...that album makes for a twisted, convoluted listening and this is not always very appreciated.
i just would like more of that mad vibe on cure most recent albums (though "the 13th" was as good as the best Top's bits).

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"The 13th" is SOOOOOOOOOOOO underrated! That song is bloody-minded genius; every misstep on Wild Mood Swings is redeemed by it.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 May 2005 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

hi cure fans, i'm an ex cure fan. sorry but i drew the line after that CROW song. i'm sure i've not missed much.

i'd like to throw my hat into the 'alternate curiosity' ring by saying:

* 'M' (1992 small tour) can't recall the date but they only did it on one of the 4 or 5 shows. proper current fans can probably identify it!
it was broadcast in europe.

* 'the big hand' (as sorta mentioned upthread) from that late 1990 secret 5 imaginary boys gig at (?) town + country was it?

* 'shake dog shake' version off of THE CURE IN ORANGE

* version of 'the walk' with kazoos off UNPLUGGED

* 1987 era tour version of 'LOVECATS/ARISTOCATS theme'

* 1990 glastonbury version of '10.15'

the temptation is to go 'oh and (song x) from (fave cure gig you ever saw)' but i won't do that. but i'd include something from the pre-WISH 92 liverpool royal court gig if i DID.


piscesboy, Friday, 6 May 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry but i drew the line after that CROW song

Hey, that's a great song! Flutes!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 May 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Burn" is awesome! It's like a dance version of "The Snakepit".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 May 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Listened to "The Top" again, and it certainly is not at all bad. It is basically where the musical foundations were laid down for the stuff they would be doing on "Head On The Door" and "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me". They experimented with some of the same stuff on the "Japanese Whispers" singles too, but they were mostly more synth dominated than what you find on "The Top".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Hi folks, been reading your suggestions with great interest, below is a list of tracks that I've been tweaking, it's not a finished list, it's only about 1 1/2 discs and it only goes up to '86 at the minute, there will be changes.

Tracks with a *** are subject to change/revision/haven't made my mind up yet.

I'd like to know if people are fussed about early 3IB tracks like Meathook, I have a live Do The Hansa somewhere too and also Object and Plastic Passion. Also do we want the Jumping/Another Journey segue they used to perfom live?


A.M./In Your House (early version) - Birmingham '79
Meathook - Marquee London '79
Fire In Cairo - Arnhem '80
Primary (yellow version) - Belgium '80
I'm Cold - Belgium '80 ***
Do You Wanna Touch? - Belgium '80
Another Day - Stockholm '80
10:15 Saturday Night - Grand Studio Paris '80
Charlotte Sometimes (early version) - Sydney '81
Forever/All Mine - Sydney '81 ***
A Short Term Effect - Glasgow '82
Pornography - Paris '82
All I have To Do Is Kill Her/Forever/All Mine - Paris '82 ***
Lament - Bath '83
Birdmad Girl - Hebertengosch '84
Wailing Wall - Nanako '84
The Empty World - Washington '84
Caterpillar - Washington '84
Secrets - Washington '84 ***
The Hanging Garden - Ludwigshafen '85 (amazing version!)
Screw - Ludwigshafen '85
Push - Glastonbury '86
Sinking - Glastonbury '86
A Forest - Glastonbury '86 ***

I'm also sourcing Lovecats/Snakepit/A Japanese Dream/Harold & Joe/The Big Hand/The 13th/The Blood/Walk (unplugged)/Fight and others especially from the last album and the London charity gig from last year with Cult Hero/I Dig You.

Need more Post Wish suggestions.

How arsed are we about Bloodflowers (down Ned!) seeing as we have the Trilogy and all.

mzui (mzui), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

*jaw happily drops*

This is already looking like one mother of an effort. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Also do we want the Jumping/Another Journey segue they used to perfom live?

OH MY GOD YES. The one from the May show in Arnheim is awesome.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't even mentioned the bonus MP3 Disc yet!

mzui (mzui), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually this reminds me of something -- friend/fellow Cure freak ML Compton mentioned once seeing a show of theirs in 1982/1983 where there was a crowd of people there because of the pop fluke success of "Let's Go to Bed," but the current incarnation was concentrating more on distinctly less approachable things. Finally bowing to crowd requests, they did LGTB, but in a totally slowed down/strung out version that drove nearly everyone away. Needless to say I've always wondered if there was a recording of that...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Post-Wish tracks I'd love to see on this:

Trap
Treasure
Home (Did they ever do this live?)
Ocean (Ditto?)
Spilt Milk
The Loudest Sound
39
The Last Day Of Summer
Lost (ESSENTIAL, put it on there maybe seven times if you have to)
The Promise
Going Nowhere
Never
Before Three
Anniversary

(xpost OMG If you can find a droney freaked-out version of "LGTB" I will sell you babies of every hue.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 May 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Better get lovemaking now, just to be sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 May 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll check when I get home fellas, until then just hold it in!

mzui (mzui), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

According to the modern internet LGTB was first played in 84 whilst touring in the US.

Trap - Paris Bercy '96

Treasure - Paris Bercy '96

Home - Never Played Live

Ocean - Ditto

Spilt Milk - Ditto

The Loudest Sound - Mansfield '00/Hamburg '00

39 - Mansfield '00/Hamburg '00

The Last Day Of Summer - Mansfield '00/Hamburg '00

Lost - Everett '04

The Promise - Not Sure

Going Nowhere - Not Sure

Never - Not Sure

Before Three - Not Sure

Anniversary - Not Sure

Will check the above.

mzui (mzui), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Just an update for Curiosity Redux.

An exciting turn of events, a kindly ILX-r is sending me a pre-fm cd copy of one of the early gigs that I'm taking Forever and the early Charlotte Sometimes from (and maybe now another track)

This is very cool and will bring the average quality of the first CD up by another notch.

I'm not sure how many of these to actually produce, I initially thought 5, so-far peeps what have expressed an interest are Ned, Dan, Kit & Baader.

I am willing to do around 10 and really won't have the time to do many more, so please yell if you are interested.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yell! Can I join in?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:32 (nineteen years ago) link


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