scientology & celebrities

Fordham, BC, Holy Cross, the Loyolas

Jesuits: good at education, basketball

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_%281491-1556%29_Founder_of_the_Jesuits.jpg/180px-St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_%281491-1556%29_Founder_of_the_Jesuits.jpg

hard in the paint

Katie joins the Jesuits.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/11/a-tour-of-st-francis-xavier-a-potential-new-church-for-katie-holmes.html

When John Sweeney made a TV documentary on the controversial church, he ended up followed, threatened by its leader, and on the wrong side of John Travolta.

The fake Katie Holmes tweet-quote seems like a first step of a PR move of "Scientology and Catholocism, what's the diff?" akin to the right calling the left hypocrites.

http://www.freezone.org/e_philo.htm

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/e_cbrufo.htm

(whole site appears to be a bit of a gold mine for anyone interested in the "old times" of scientology and how it was run in the good old days before lrh died)
(that's how I perceived it anyway)

http://www.theonion.com/articles/katie-holmes-glad-she-can-finally-practice-sciento,28780/

I went to a jesuit school and they seem to me to be the wanky liberals of catholicism. way more acceptance of philosphy and free will in the jesuit world, even if that's illegal beyond their own subset.

Overall a v hands off experience about religion, with far more emphasis on deeds and education than doctrine. surprised others have diff views upthread.

interesting myths wiki

http://www.scientologymyths.info/freezone/

jesuit apologists probably don't even have tv's

Take that back, I do have a TV, how dare you?

Freezoners (Ron's Org, Freezone, Galactic Patrol) are groups who alter Scientology technology and form their own groups to apply this altered technology. They are small in number and fairly insignificant to the Church. I understand the largest Freezone group is in Germany, which makes sense, since Germany is well behind the curve in supporting religious freedom.

^ amazing logic

Overall a v hands off experience about religion, with far more emphasis on deeds and education than doctrine. surprised others have diff views upthread.

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this was always my understanding, jesuits are why the church believes in space and evolution afaik

Katie Holmes looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets on the cover of Elle magazine

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/54111-katie-elle-again/1341934424_katie-holmes-elle-lg.jpg

photoshop disaster

Addicted to Love finalist.

i think parting the letters on the masthead & having the cover figure obscure them is kinda having your cake and eating it too

i want to crop it so that it says LOL with katie's head as the O

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf7ET8G4dVA&feature=player_embedded

statue gif plz

let's start by defining the word "strategy"

so I read Bare Faced Messiah, crazy shit, but what I wondered throughout is, why do people seem to talk so highly about the auditing? Is it cos they're all far gone down a process of indoctrination, or did LRH sort of steal a march on psychiatry by allowing people to just open up about shit at a time when it wasn't common to do so, and take advantage of the dependency that that patient/counsellor relationship can create?

also there are vague mentions of hypnosis being involved...

Inside Scientology by Janet Reitman was a fascinating book. I'm about to read the Vanity Fair article on the church's selection/auditioning process for a new girlfriend/wife for Cruise (which process led them & him to choose Katie Holmes, after a few other candidates had been considered, auditioned, and rejected).

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/helen-lewis/2012/09/church-scientology-vs-vanity-fair

I'm really curious to if they'll do anything the day The Master is released--if they make a special magazine like their New Yorker parody and pamphleteer, or what.

Holy carp, that letter!

"It is inconceivable (to the entire world) that Mr. Cruise would have difficulty getting a girlfriend," writes a lawyer for the Church.

true

it was just too good not to keep around for a while

crazy that the lady who played Nora on the last season of How I Met Your Mother was the first choice before Katie. good for her i guess that her career actually improved after she stopped being a Scientologist!

i never heard any woman of any age ever express any envy that katie holmes was with tom cruise, not one, most of them sounded worried and some shuddered if the topic arose, so i think that church lawyer might be overestimating what a catch the entire world thinks he is.

tbf crazy Scientology guy became the dominant media narrative around him right around when he started overselling the Katie relationship to Oprah, up to that point he was still kinda Hollywood's golden boy to most people

in australia the narrative turned the day he dumped 'our nic'.

be real. tom cruise is rich famous and not an axe murderer (as far as i know) he has no trouble getting girlfriends/wives.

being a high-level scientologist is more morally repugnant than being an axe murderer.

i mean that btw.

eh the only scientologists i've met i've liked. I've not met any axe murderers.

don't know if they were 'high level' or not.

tom cruise is rich famous and not an axe murderer completely out of his mind

the notion that being rich and famous can keep a person with you if you're an unbearable human being is largely a sexist myth imo. the number of people who'll suffer a horrible relationship fucking up their daily lives for nearness to fame or the promise of future wealth is pretty intensely over-reckoned imo

i just mean funding the organisation, i've been reading about it incessantly this year and it is pure evil.

xpost

well, non-rich and famous people stay in terrible marriages for fear of the social or financial consequences of divorce all the time, so it's not really that far-fetched

that is true, but there is a specific "any woman'd wanna marry a guy that rich and famous!" trope that is bullshit imo

i didn't say "any" woman.

be real. tom cruise is rich famous and gay as balls, he has no trouble getting girlfriends/wives.

i dunno how much aero's experience is relevant here anyway, he's not THAT rich or famous

high-level axe murderers

Bare Faced Messiah, yeah that is from some really old Scientology. I don't think auditing itself is that terrifying, I saw the questions. I mean, if you're a decent person I don't think you have anything to fear from a lie detector. I don't know, I've never been a Scientologist, I wouldn't marry one, seems like a ridiculous commitment and a lot of work. I'm used to religion being about Jesus or Buddha or something ancient. I look at their literature from time to time and expect to see "Jesus" or "God" and it's just difficult to wrap my head around.

I'm into Freemasonry which I heard was an influence? That is interesting....