scientology & celebrities

Freezoners (Ron's Org, Freezone, Galactic Patrol) are groups who alter Scientology technology and form their own groups to apply this altered technology. They are small in number and fairly insignificant to the Church. I understand the largest Freezone group is in Germany, which makes sense, since Germany is well behind the curve in supporting religious freedom.

^ amazing logic

Overall a v hands off experience about religion, with far more emphasis on deeds and education than doctrine. surprised others have diff views upthread.

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this was always my understanding, jesuits are why the church believes in space and evolution afaik

Katie Holmes looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets on the cover of Elle magazine

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/54111-katie-elle-again/1341934424_katie-holmes-elle-lg.jpg

photoshop disaster

Addicted to Love finalist.

i think parting the letters on the masthead & having the cover figure obscure them is kinda having your cake and eating it too

i want to crop it so that it says LOL with katie's head as the O

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf7ET8G4dVA&feature=player_embedded

statue gif plz

let's start by defining the word "strategy"

so I read Bare Faced Messiah, crazy shit, but what I wondered throughout is, why do people seem to talk so highly about the auditing? Is it cos they're all far gone down a process of indoctrination, or did LRH sort of steal a march on psychiatry by allowing people to just open up about shit at a time when it wasn't common to do so, and take advantage of the dependency that that patient/counsellor relationship can create?

also there are vague mentions of hypnosis being involved...

Inside Scientology by Janet Reitman was a fascinating book. I'm about to read the Vanity Fair article on the church's selection/auditioning process for a new girlfriend/wife for Cruise (which process led them & him to choose Katie Holmes, after a few other candidates had been considered, auditioned, and rejected).

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/helen-lewis/2012/09/church-scientology-vs-vanity-fair

I'm really curious to if they'll do anything the day The Master is released--if they make a special magazine like their New Yorker parody and pamphleteer, or what.

Holy carp, that letter!

"It is inconceivable (to the entire world) that Mr. Cruise would have difficulty getting a girlfriend," writes a lawyer for the Church.

true

it was just too good not to keep around for a while

crazy that the lady who played Nora on the last season of How I Met Your Mother was the first choice before Katie. good for her i guess that her career actually improved after she stopped being a Scientologist!

i never heard any woman of any age ever express any envy that katie holmes was with tom cruise, not one, most of them sounded worried and some shuddered if the topic arose, so i think that church lawyer might be overestimating what a catch the entire world thinks he is.

tbf crazy Scientology guy became the dominant media narrative around him right around when he started overselling the Katie relationship to Oprah, up to that point he was still kinda Hollywood's golden boy to most people

in australia the narrative turned the day he dumped 'our nic'.

be real. tom cruise is rich famous and not an axe murderer (as far as i know) he has no trouble getting girlfriends/wives.

being a high-level scientologist is more morally repugnant than being an axe murderer.

i mean that btw.

eh the only scientologists i've met i've liked. I've not met any axe murderers.

don't know if they were 'high level' or not.

tom cruise is rich famous and not an axe murderer completely out of his mind

the notion that being rich and famous can keep a person with you if you're an unbearable human being is largely a sexist myth imo. the number of people who'll suffer a horrible relationship fucking up their daily lives for nearness to fame or the promise of future wealth is pretty intensely over-reckoned imo

i just mean funding the organisation, i've been reading about it incessantly this year and it is pure evil.

xpost

well, non-rich and famous people stay in terrible marriages for fear of the social or financial consequences of divorce all the time, so it's not really that far-fetched

that is true, but there is a specific "any woman'd wanna marry a guy that rich and famous!" trope that is bullshit imo

i didn't say "any" woman.

be real. tom cruise is rich famous and gay as balls, he has no trouble getting girlfriends/wives.

i dunno how much aero's experience is relevant here anyway, he's not THAT rich or famous

high-level axe murderers

Bare Faced Messiah, yeah that is from some really old Scientology. I don't think auditing itself is that terrifying, I saw the questions. I mean, if you're a decent person I don't think you have anything to fear from a lie detector. I don't know, I've never been a Scientologist, I wouldn't marry one, seems like a ridiculous commitment and a lot of work. I'm used to religion being about Jesus or Buddha or something ancient. I look at their literature from time to time and expect to see "Jesus" or "God" and it's just difficult to wrap my head around.

I'm into Freemasonry which I heard was an influence? That is interesting....

i still don't get why it caught on so much though, like obv people get something from auditing, is it basically just counselling except the results are used to manipulate and control?

Maybe it's just that in auditing people are met with neutral/positive responses like "Good" or "Thank you," no matter WHAT shameful-to-them/long-hidden shit they say in response to repeated and increasingly personal questions, so that the auditees voice their worst traumas and most private thoughts and are not (immediately) harmed by having done so; in fact they are met with affectless acceptance. If they repeat those awful-to-them secrets enough times aloud, the material really does lose its emotional "charge" and they are able to gain a measure of detachment. (Of course auditors' disclosures are duly recorded for later blackmail purposes, it appears.)

Plus, who doesn't love to talk about themselves?

Scientology is a whole fucking religion based on compulsory, detailed confessions.

I mean, if you're a decent person I don't think you have anything to fear from a lie detector.

this is specious, at best, and despicable at worst.

Yeah for real

dying to read this maureen orth article, does anyone have a link to the full text?

What in the

http://gawker.com/5967150/tom-cruises-ex+girlfriend-and-other-former-scientologists-lash-out-in-never+before+heard-anti+scientology-rap

The brainchild behind this all-star effort is Titziano Lugli

That is the greatest name in human history.

Perhaps the most intriguing contribution comes from Nazanin Boniadi, the Iranian-born actress and model who, according to Vantiy Fair's Maureen Orth, was personally selected by Miscavige in a church-sanctioned search for Cruise's next girlfriend back in 2004. The relationship didn't last—Cruise wanted her incisor teeth filed down, and he eventually dumped her after she insulted Miscavige by asking him to repeat himself. Boniadi has never spoken out about being pimped out, North Korea-style, to a probably gay crazy actor by a cult leader (she declined to talk to Orth). So her participation in the "rap" is the first public proof from Boniadi herself of her break with the church. She raps: "This ain't no road to freedom / It's a blind alley, like Kirstie Alley / Travolta, and Cruise, but we ain't no fools."

omg miguel's girl

http://www.lamag.com/features/2012/12/18/the-tip-of-the-spear/print?src=longreads

uh wtf atlantic

http://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/scientology/archive/2013/01/david-miscavige-leads-scientology-to-milestone-year-/266958

SPONSOR CONTENT PROVIDED BY THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY = huge paid advertisement not very well disclosed?

omg miguel's girl

― before and after broscience (goole), Monday, December 10, 2012 3:50 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha Nazanin Boniadi =/ Nazanin Mandi

http://twitter.com/ManaNuiNui