rolling disgruntled shootings thread 2010

yeah do it - that the guy is i think alive, & that it's tied to culture/a zeitgeisty event are gonna be huge i guess

why so disgruntled

oh, cool

http://oakcreek.patch.com/articles/several-people-reported-shot-at-sikh-temple

this one may need its own thread at some point as well...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/reports-of-people-shot-at-sikh-temple-in-oak-creek-qc6cgc0-165059506.html

up to 30 victims

fucking hell

now might be a hostage situation

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3Z_aqg9sSzZuROFJyMJuR3KNYcA?docId=101229cde30547259e18214d4180ae99

What the hell?

fuck

six dead, shooter was killed

A police officer who is a 20-year law enforcement veteran responded to multiple 911 calls about the shooting and came upon a gunman outstide the temple. The officer was shot multiple times, Wendlandt said. The officer returned fire, striking and killing the gunman. The wounded officer was taken to a hospital where he was undergoing surgery.

jesus g-d christ

Really bugging me that CNN keeps having talking heads explaining how Sikhs differ from Muslims and how the casual visual similarity to the uninitiated leads to Sikhs being "unfairly targeted for violence."

Like, opposed to the totally legit targeting of Muslims in the US? Fuck you guys.

yeah was thinking the same thing, "these ppl were shot and they ~weren't even Muslim~", so fucking gross

ugh

"I just want to say this temple was built a number of years ago and there have never been any problems with this temple," Oak Creek Alderman Dan Jakubczyk said. "They've been a plus to this city and to my district."

never.been.any.problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfWzgzby_hM

repeal 2nd amendment

i guess the 2nd amendment folks will tell us we should be bringing our guns to church..

instead of ceremonial knives sikhs should carry guns

^cant wait for all the inevitable iterations of that joke over the next week or two

motive?

racism, presumably, but who knows

it was a white shooter?

there has been intense sikh-on-sikh violence in the past in the bay area although generally involving melee and not guns

White, by all accounts. The suspect's home has been investigated, presumably some form of initial announcement will be made tonight.

Really bugging me that CNN keeps having talking heads explaining how Sikhs differ from Muslims and how the casual visual similarity to the uninitiated leads to Sikhs being "unfairly targeted for violence."

Like, opposed to the totally legit targeting of Muslims in the US? Fuck you guys.

I will cop to feeling vaguely *guilty* when Sikhs and other brown non-Muslims were targeted for hate speech/crimes immediately following September 11th until a Muslim friend pointed out how fucked up this was.

I was driving all day and public radio played a tearful interview with a family member of the founder of the temple. It was hard to listen to.

9/11 tattoo

fck me

can't they make it law that if you want to have a gun you have to be in the nat'l guard or something?

then all the crazies who want guns would just join the national guard. and then they'd all meet. and they'd be ORGANIZED. brb gonna go write a novel.

that would hew a lot closer to the 2nd A's literal meaning

true

that's fine. it's not like joining the guard is getting a library card?

hell, we could give you a gov't issued gun if you're in the guard, w/ a serial # and a gps

when i hear the phrase "national guard" i reach for my kent_state.jpg

yeah remember when four dead in ohio was news

I used to work about 5 miinutes drive from the temple.

Never bumped into as much casual racism anywhere as living in Milwaukee, not in the deep south.

my friend from madison area (i think) is dating a girl from pakistan and for a second i had to reassure myself they weren't sikhs (?)

anyway when i was in bayfield everyone treated me like royalty

i understand bayfield is not totally representative of the state

My impression of Milwaukee was a couple of desperately poor ghettos surrounded by extremely conservative suburbs. Scott Walker got his start in Waukesha, which is pretty close to Oak Creek.

milwaukee was pretty crucial in russ feingold's defeat iirc

so, basically every city in america? xp

Except its especially bad there, almost all the suburbs used to be sundown towns.

And there parts of the North side that look third world, like Detroit only more concentrated.

yeah my friend from chicago said it starts to turn into rust belt over that way

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/witi-20110331-segregated-city,0,6920627.story

Rust belt surrounded by Maybury basically.

This is a city that has a contractual stipulation for teachers that they have to live in the city limits, otherwise virtually none of them would. One of the hardest drinking cities in the country too.

http://m.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/129187398.html

FB post from a friend of mine who who was at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church during the shooting there four years ago. This is a guy who watched his friends being shot and killed:

Another shooting. Another CHURCH shooting! I am so damned tired of flashing back to my experience of the shooting at TVUUC!! I am so sick of reliving it in my daily thoughts and seeing it re-enacted every few weeks somewhere else in America. I am sick of hateful people having such easy access to guns. I am sick of our bought-out politicians kowtowing to the NRA and allowing hatemongers and psychos to arm themselves to the teeth (LEGALLY!!!) and then simply walking into innocent crowds (churches!!! musems!! movie theaters!!!) and gunning down innocent people. I am sick of talking heads justifying this easy murder as just a part of our constitutional rights, as though somehow the founding fathers thought buying an AR-36 assault rifle with a 100-bullet clip (capable of firing 100 rounds in 3 minutes) is an inherent human right, more important than human freedom itself (after all, these founding fathers are the same guys who considered African-Americans to be 3/4ths of a person and deserving of slavery, and women unworthy of voting). More than anything, I am sick of a right-wing culture that demonizes anyone who disagrees with their beliefs (see Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Michael Reagan and of course their manifesto-writing murderous protegee, Jim David Adkisson, the TVUUC gunman). And don't get me started on IGNORANCE! Is it any surprise that the guy who walked into the Sikh Temple today was a white male with a "9-11 tatoo" on his arm? Too bad he didn't live long enough for someone to tell him that Sikhs have NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER to Islam, let alone the fringe element of Islam that was responsible for 9-11. I was a religious educator in my previous life. That is what I was doing the day Jim David Adkisson walked into my church and opened fire on a childrens' play during a Sunday worship service. And I guarantee you, the children in my programs at TVUUC know far more about Sikh's than this asshole did. Why? Because WE CARE ABOUT OTHER FAITHS, that's why@!!
Goddam this!! I am so sick of this!

that guy has my vote for president

there is an important aspect to distinguishing sikhs from muslims in the news that is higher than muslims would be okay

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/shooter-identified-as-wade-michael-page-856cn6q-165115836.html