The CaterPOLLar -- ILM Artist Poll #23 -- The Cure -- voting thread

You don't have to submit 40, I'll adjust the scoring accordingly.

The wording here is troubling...will you be scoring from the top down or the bottom up?

xpost -- Yeah that looks pretty spectacular, think I need to scrounge up a recording of that one. Glad that "The Hungry Ghost" is turning into a keeper.

love this band like crazy and am very excited for this!

Hooray! for the CURE

this band is too good.

You don't have to submit 40, I'll adjust the scoring accordingly.

The wording here is troubling...will you be scoring from the top down or the bottom up?

To be honest I was going to go to the coordination thread and ask for advice there!

oh shit a cure poll

F-I-R-E-I-N-C-A-I-R-O

― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I LOVE THAT SONG SO MUCH

Doing this now. Apparently I like the majority of the 'B' sides from the cassette of 'Standing On A Beach' more than anything they have done post 'Disintegration'.

― pandemic, Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:10 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I haven't even started thinking about songs and yet I know this will probably be true for me as well.

- My first real favorite band. I got into them because my babysitter liked them.
- First CD I ever bought was Disintegration
- First band shirt I ever bought (from the SST catalog iirc) was Paris shirt with just RS's lips on the front.
- First song a boy ever played for me on the guitar in an attempt to impress was Three Imaginary Boys
- First real "big rock show" I ever saw was them at the Nassau Collesium on Long Island in 1996. I was 18 and dyed my hair purple for the occasion (lol). It was so awesome.
- Saw them one other time here in Boston (DJP was also in attendance) in 2007 and it was just as awesome.

<3 <3 <3

at the Nassau Collesium

oops Coliseum

Same for me, except:
- sister
- Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me
- ^ tour tshirt
- uh no
- Birmingham NEC, KMKMKM tour

But yeah, probably my favourite band ever. Looking forward to running this poll, hope we get lots of ballots and that I don't fuck it up too much.

Thank you for doing this! I am excited already.

I was going to sit this one out, but I watched some youtubes of the days before makeup and I might just have to investigate further

so i have started and i'm already pulling my hair out. i think like DJP i will have a list of around 100 when done.

I just want to throw out some often-overlooked songs for people to consider as they are making their ballots:

Another Day
World War
Secrets
Another Journey By Train
Cold
The Dream
The Upstairs Room
Throw Your Foot
Wailing Wall
Six Different Ways
Screw
Torture
How Beautiful You Are...
The Snakepit
The Perfect Girl
Fear of Ghosts
2 Late
This Twilight Garden
Play
The 13th
Trap
Treasure
Home
A Pink Dream
Spilt Milk
Out of this World
The Loudest Sound
Lost
Before Three
Anniversary
Going Nowhere
Underneath the Stars
The Real Snow White
The Hungry Ghost
The Scream
It's Over

I know ppl started rolling their eyes around The 13th but I do think there's something to all of these songs (and I'm also certain more ppl remember/think fondly of the older material)

I've started making my list. I've flicked through all the albums and got a rough list ready of what will make it from those. Just started listening through Join The Dots which I only got last year so don't know that well. Just wow at Throw Your Foot, incredible song. The Upstairs Room and Lament have also stood out from Disc one so far.

I know ppl started rolling their eyes around The 13th but I do think there's something to all of these songs (and I'm also certain more ppl remember/think fondly of the older material)

― keeping things contextual (DJP)

Good call on Before Three and Out of This World. Will be voting for a few songs of the last three albums. End of The World should also be mentioned, it's one of my favourite singles of theirs.

I have been looking forward to and dreading this poll

My short list will probably have 100 songs on it

^^^
Me too.

Will they place more album cuts and b-sides than any other band that's been polled? It always seemed to me like big fans really love those more than the singles (although they have fabulous singles, but that's not what I love The Cure for.)

Of course I do expect "Just Like Heaven", "A Forest", "Inbetween Days" and "Boys Don't Cry" to place really high.

I think A Forest us probably my least favourite of the "big" Cure songs and I doubt if it'll make my top 40.

you are crazy, "A Forest" is the pinnacle of most The Cure live shows...

Realistic estimate: I've probably listened to "A Forest" 400-500 times in my life and it's going to be in my top five. I can see how it would wear on some people, though.

how many times can I put "Lament" on my ballot? is 40 too much?

I ended up going with the 40 songs which still thrill me the most to listen to today, rather than the 40 'best' songs. So for instance I think 'Just Like Heaven' is a much much better song than 'Do The Hansa' but I always enjoy hearing the latter more these days.

lament and upstairs room love is otm. the japanese whispers stuff is maybe my favourite collection of cure songs

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I must echo the love for "The Upstairs Room" - an awesomely overlooked Cure song.

Also "Just One Kiss" (the extended version, natch). It seems they've finally started playing this song in concert after 30 years. http://youtu.be/ip1r5kGtkd8

Helpful tip: the Faith LP will only take up 8 slots on your ballot.

I don't know if the Glove will see much love, but "Punish Me With Kisses," "Perfect Murder" and "Mouth to Mouth" are all ace.

You must also remember: Primary, The Baby Screams, The Exploding Boy, 2 Late, Halo, The Big Hand, Burn, The 13th.

I'm not sure I understand why remixes from Mixed Up count when a lot of them were taken from 12" singles (Disintegration & KMKMKM tracks), but does anyone actually prefer any of those mixes anyway?

I love the dub remix of "Pictures of You"

I'm not sure I understand why remixes from Mixed Up count when a lot of them were taken from 12" singles (Disintegration & KMKMKM tracks), but does anyone actually prefer any of those mixes anyway?

The thing I wanted to avoid was any votes for mixes that are just an "extended mix", which as far as I remembered at the time, most Cure 12" were. I had to start this poll with not a lot of notice and my first post was quite hastily written without doing much research. If anyone wants to vote for any remix off any b-sides they're more than welcome to, to be honest I trust the people voting in the poll to vote "sensibly", whatever that means.

I just want to throw out some often-overlooked songs for people to consider as they are making their ballots:

A few of these will definitely be on my ballot somewhere, probably/possibly Cold, The Snakepit, Lost, Out of This World, Underneath the Stars ...

Exploding Boy is my favourite Cure b-side, by far.

This started getting really difficult as I got to the last 10 or so of my list, and I started to realize just how many songs I was going to have to leave off. Then I started second guessing myself like crazy.

I think this is just too overwhelming for me to vote in.

"You don't have to submit 40, I'll adjust the scoring accordingly."

The wording here is troubling...will you be scoring from the top down or the bottom up?

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:54 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know nate is incommunicado until Tuesday or so, but I'd still like to get this question answered.

In every other poll it's been from the top down, aiui, so your number 1 would get full points

I think Clarke did Fleetwood Mac from the bottom up. I kinda like that idea, if you don't even like 20 songs your vote *should* be worth a bit less.

I don't know any Cure after the Staring at the Sea comp, but I might give this a go anyway.

― Neil Jung (WmC), Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:52 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's kinda my boat, too. I don't love them enough to be able to spit out 40 songs without a good bit of catalogue digging. But I'm drawn to contributing a ballot for sure...

Top down makes more sense to me. Johnny Fever - you've run a couple of polls, how would you do it? I'd genuinely like to know the best way to do it because I'd hate to fuck up this poll because of some bad maths.

xposts

Bumping this for anyone who might've missed it. I've only had 2 ballots in 6 days and I'm worried that this thread is getting buried.

I'm going to vote, btw

I'll probably give it a go too. I'll likely not make 40 as I'm not a natural fan, but I'm dipping in & out and making a note of what takes my fancy. So far I've got 7.

I don't know any Cure after the Staring at the Sea comp, but I might give this a go anyway.

― Neil Jung (WmC), Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:52 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's kinda my boat, too. I don't love them enough to be able to spit out 40 songs without a good bit of catalogue digging. But I'm drawn to contributing a ballot for sure...

I hope people who like at least 20 songs will vote.

Yeah, that's my target.

I can easily make 40, but mine will be weighted toward the three basic things I know: the first album, the singles, and the Head on the Door/Kiss Me/Disintegration run. I've tried and failed to get into the murky mid-80s stuff that a lot of Cure true believers love. (I think I actually own a copy of Pornography, but I'm not sure I've ever listened all the way through.)

Also a relisten to the first album the other night reminded me that "Grinding Halt" has to go on the list.

have always loved this despite it sort of being cure by numbers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl7jR4BAJ5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl7jR4BAJ5Y

there we go

There is time! Vote.

my "shortlist" was something like 95 songs? and I still wanted to vote for them all

and I still forgot 2 off of it, at least one of which had a very good chance of being on my ballot

Yeah voting is still open, til midday UK tomorrow.

I know this poll is going to end up reinforcing Cure orthodoxy and all of the big placers will be pop singles, but I'm super interested in the early stages to see what, if any, bizarro songs place

also this is a pre-emptive "you all have terrible taste" in anticipation of "Push" making the top 20

Haha, that was my #2.

Is it really about catching the train to Brighton while wearing a dress? Or was Robert taking the piss?

I've never been less sure about my ballot in these single artist polls. There were so many things I wanted to vote for, I kept waffling on the rankings ... kicking myself already for leaving certain songs off my ballot ("Trust", "High", "All Cats Are Grey" ...)

you will get mine in about 12 hours, i need to go to work. still working the video list but pretty much done.

HOW THE HELL COULD YOU LEAVE "ALL CATS ARE GREY" OFF OF YOUR BALLOT

seriously, that was one of five songs that were absolutely no question destined to be on my ballot

Considering I scrambled at the last minute to get this together, I'm pretty pleased with my ballot. I didn't have to relisten to much because I know the band pretty well anyway. Still, I even surprised myself when I found a genuine obscurity had made it into my top ten.

Here's my breakdown of albums and how many songs off each made my list:

Three Imaginary Boys/Boys Don't Cry — 4
Seventeen Seconds — 3
Faith — 3
Pornography — 2
The Walk EP/Japanese Whispers — 3
The Top — 1
The Head on the Door — 5
Kiss Me — 2
Disintegration — 2
Mixed Up — 0
Wish — 3
Wild Mood Swings — 1
Bloodflowers — 2
The Cure — 2
4:13 Dream — 0
Non-album/b-sides — 7

Funny other things I just realized:
Wish barely scraped my top albums picks at #5, but three Wish (or Wish-related songs) are in my top ten.
Disintegration did not make my top albums list.
A song from the self-titled album made my top ten. I hate that album, how did THAT happen?

Really hope I got my ballot in on time. This was fun. Can't wait to see the final tally.

~Austin

Listening to THOTD in its remastered form, which I received in the mail a few hours ago, I'm thinking the only dud is "Six Different Ways." Every song is distinct, opening a door to a genre excursion on which the band could have gone.

The Head on the Door really is a great piece of work. They managed to pack so much, so well, into such a great, concentrated package.

I like 'Six Different Ways.' Although, it did take me hearing the great Peel Session recording of it to fully appreciate it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjgvXuSGQF4

Scatting, squealing vocals Bob at his best.

got my list down to 70, just dropped Carnage Visors, RIP DJP

;_;

it's really sad, it was gothy rose-tinted glasses

says the guy who just heard subdivisions

sorry <3

Three Imaginary Boys/Boys Don't Cry — 5
Seventeen Seconds — 2
Faith — 2
Pornography — 3
The Walk EP/Japanese Whispers — 4
The Top — 2
The Head on the Door — 4
Kiss Me — 4
Disintegration — 5
Mixed Up — 1
Wish — 4
Join the Dots (B-Sides) - 6

I'm a huge fan, so can I just go on record right now and say that 'Carnage Visors' is extremely overrated?

Ballot sent. I can't believe this band, every last song on my list I can relate a specific memory to, it's outrageous.

34 ballots received. In your face, Paul Simon!

"six different ways" is my second favorite off the album, after "close to me"

When're you doing the countdown?

TIB/BDC - 3
SS - 2
Faith - 2
Pornography - 2
The Top - 2
Head - 3
KMKMKM - 6
Disintegration - 5
Wish - 2
WMS - 1
Bloodflowers - 1
Cure - 3
4:13 Dream - 2
other singles/b-sides - 6

Semi-serious response to DJP, I was trying to balance out my ballot a bit (i.e. not getting sentimental and voting for 15 songs from KMKMKM) and a bunch of songs fell through the cracks. Is "4:13 Dream" as good as "Wish" and "Pornography" (I voted for two songs from all of them)? Definitely not, but there are a few really good individual songs there, and I didn't want to ignore that (or any) album completely.

So yeah, I already regret not finding room for certain songs, but I feel really good about my top 20-25 though (=where most of the points will come from).

I'm hoping to start about 9 tonight with the albums, videos and tracks 50-41.

rad.

A load of ballots in the last few hours (as someone predicted) means I need to do a lot of number crunching when I get home but hopefully my spreadsheets are up to doing most of the work. I'll never forgive myself if I fuck these results up.

POLLography: The Cure poll results, ILM artist poll #23

btw Boris is the fucking BEST, I still maintain that ppl would like the later material more had he drummed it instead of Jason Cooper

althrough the evidence of Entreat Plus suggests it mightn't have made much difference