Jackin' House partisans, convince a skeptic

After having the owl/ufo bass from 'You Want Me' running in my head for two days straight, I have to say Jackin is growing on me. I think the electro part turned me off initially, but the skippy beats, warpy owl bass, cheeky/cheesy samples, and blatant drugginess on some of these tracks is winning me over.

I think I like about half of those youtubes. Was vibing quite a bit to Away We Go earlier. A lot of the tunes I like sound a bit like slightly slower, slightly straighter equivalents to the garagey bits DJ Q plays. A lot of this stuff has an enjoyable effortless sort of feel to it. Might try and post more coherent thoughts later, but yeah I'm coming round to it a bit.

Also off-topic but TLG I enjoyed your mix (and other ones that you've posted in the Mixes For Download thread).

thanks andy!

Seriously who the hell came up with the name? There's only one kind of jackin house. It's from Chicago and it existed two decades ago. And by jackin they really meant JACKIN. I don't hear any jack here.

r|t|c where are yooooooouuuuu?

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oh wait hold up though

i do have something... just for sir

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr-UBN2bc-U

i know how you feel rob about the word "jackin", i feel the same way when i see the word "yansh"

the owl/ufo bass

is it jackin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKZ2ZmIFNE

that's really funny because i was going to make the point that some of this stuff is starting to sound more like plump djs than moombahton

not that moombahton doesn't already sound like plump djs or freestylers or whatever

jamie duggan CHOOOOOOOON

ok i get it, this just sounds like a mersh version of stuff i already really like (old classic records, well rounded, julio bashmore, etc) w/ added bassline emphasis

my initial reaction is that this IS kind of like the same sort of blend i'm going for right now, but when the bassline is not interesting or the vocalist is not charismatic it is neither more nor less boring than when the same thing happens in yr average carl craig track

also that it's waaaaaay too slow

like in the carl flanagan track, it reminds me of this documentary or something i saw about "style" as applied to battle dancing (i don't know if it was about locking and popping or voguing or soul dance or what) and somebody was like "sometimes you watch someone dance and you wonder if they imagine what it's like for other people to look at them or if they don't give a shit about style"

that's how the "epic build" and "off-key-ness" of carl flanagan makes me feel, an undeserved victory lap around the fruity loops manual

if its LFO owls you want, that'd be Nick hannam's 'Homeless' or Cause & Affect's 'Don't like to do that' - not 'You want me' as astrochimp said

As with funky it's often played pitched up - though on some records (e.g. "You Want Me") the original speed works better in my opinion.

or like why would anyone prefer a francois track to an actual utah saints track is beyond me

yeah i guess tbf i play half my things at +8

i'm not kidding that francois track about the morning light sounds to me like a nu skool breaks remix of a utah saints track

ill phil gets the gun finger

^^ give us an emoticon for this r|t|c

mc sims gets five mics and first game on the xbox for the rest of the night

The main reason I posted the Flanagan is I'm pretty sure the singer is Farah of "Kiss Me There" fame.

is the logo supposed to represent some sort of street food? like a big sausage in a taco-shell shaped piece of kebab bread?

i mean the certified jackin one not the jack daniels one

is it jackin?

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ghahahhah winner

The main reason I posted the Flanagan is I'm pretty sure the singer is Farah of "Kiss Me There" fame.
Yeah I think that's her. I like her vocal I'm but not so mad about the rest of the tune.

I love those the owl bass on those two, Benny, those are much better examples. The part of 'You Want Me' I've had stuck in my head is that eerie UFO/ghost sound that comes in at the beginning of the track, before the bassline, that then becomes more high-pitched and bird-like around 2:23 in that youtube clip.

owl bass? isn't this just like 1990 bass?

oh god, please forget about this owl thing will you? It comes from an offhand comment i made on dissensus about 'Homeless' that Simon Reynolds then mentioned in his blog. Lets leave it at that...

Haha it's a catchy term mate, don't be embarrassed.

i think i see what's happening here now

this entire thread has been some sort of ilx tax write-off hasnt it

you crafty sods better paypal me my cut

t/s owl bass vs sea punk

is it owl bass

owl'n'bass

finney did you listen

Intense mix v.

really? thank you. i'm most of the proud of the "champion sound" bit at the beginning of the first blake baxter thing.

so am i deliberately misinterpreting aspects of the sound ... or rather am i ignoring (specifics of geography aside) that separates, say, standard bobbins and what rob might call predigested fact-ulum from the more vibrant funky and jackin scenes ... or would you just say i'm shoehorning everything into a frankendance sort of mush?

i'm really too old to follow developments in all continents and scenes but i wish i had kept up more w grime and funky now

i often get the same sense listening to some of this music as i do listening to herbert's "let's all make mistakes" and whatnot

Well I don't think your mix has anything to do with "jackin house" within the meaning of this thread, unsurprisingly!

The thing with funky is - or was - less for me about socio-geographical borders than a certain kind of overriding logic of groove that might not be apparent on a track by track basis. Pulling, say, Champion or (at the absolute opposite end of the funky spectrum) DJ MA1's remix of "I'm Leaving" into orbit with techno and tech-house and dubstep and etc. makes even those tracks feel very different.

This is probably at least in part a result of the fact that funky could perhaps have been described as a certain perspective on house rather than a full-fledged individual genre. I guess that precariousness is maybe why I have always tried to insist on distinctions from a critical perspective; funky didn't have the obvious distinctiveness of uk garage, whereby if you dropped a 2-step tune into a different genre mix it usually still sounded like... a 2-step tune.

(so 'predigested fact-ulum' is in some cases a certain light or framing that may be there or may not be - although then of course some tracks/artists adopt that vibe irrevocably).

Importantly though, cutting across genre lines doesn't always = frankendance, it depends on the strength of the through-line constructed (Let's All Make Mistakes is a paramount example of this).

An article I wrote recently for Audimat was basically me trying to set out a theoretical apparatus for the above but it's in French :-/

right, so they just sound like particularly choppy or spacey broken beat or house tracks? i think a lot of sounds the way early "space disco" stuff like 90s idjuts, paper recordings, etc just sounds like tech house in that context (blending in w/ stuff like DiY)

personally i also think that's an argument for their strength

i like the idea of fact music as a framing thing ... are FACT and BASS the same or different as superwords i wonder ;-)

i should not post so fast

it reminds me of how early "space disco" tracks (90s idjuts, paper recordings, etc) just sounded like tech house at that time (blending in w/ stuff like DiY)

makes even those tracks feel very different

what's interesting to me is that as a sheltered listener that's pretty much how those tracks "feel" to me, it doesn't sound like an incongruous transition or trick to me anymore than playing blake baxter with derrick may or eon with moodymann

yeah that's kinda my point!

But have you heard many of the 'classic' funky sets?

no it's hard to know where to start w/ 1000 new posts and no handy clearance bin

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I regret posting US jacking house to the UK jacking house thread! still, a great mix

it is!! no apologies NO SORRY ALLOWED ON THIS BOARD DAMMIT

reminds me of some good nights at frank's lounge in brooklyn

is birmingham jacking house related at all to birmingham techno (surgeon regis etc) or are we talking just completely different eras / scenes?

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