Why is John Fahey So Boring?

feel like the best fahey like the live versions of dance of the inhabitants should be hid away on a mountaintop monastery somewhere which is a couple of day's hike to get to. i was going to link to a video of another version of it but it's been pulled from youtube, hopefully being interred by the monks as i type.

feel like the best fahey like the live versions of dance of the inhabitants should be hid away on a mountaintop monastery somewhere which is a couple of day's hike to get to.

hahaha this is otm & how the world should work

I have lots of Fahey bootlegs, most came from Delta Slider, I'd poke around there if you like the above... the main problem with the site is that the MP3s are tagged like shit (or not at all), hence why I had to upload it to Youtube to share it. Perhaps the difficulty associated with unzipping and properly tagging MP3s is corollary to a long hike to a monastery?

Also, to the dude above, what sides of Fahey don't you like? I could totally imagine what sides you are talking about, but in the interest of further Faheychat perhaps you could elaborate.

And does anyone see what I'm saying about how this evokes Branca? Just the cacophonous reverberations piling onto one another, adding up to a bigger whole?

As a shoegaze fan I heard a lot of the same melodic progression sensibilities Kevin Shields as an example would share.

tbh, i don't really get the branca comparison

yeah that u of w show is close to a religious experience. the sausalito recording from around the same era is a far better recording with a similar setlist, but the u o w thing is uhhhhmazing.

I still like Fahey records but I think he was "an occasionally brilliant guitar composer and arranger, innovator and player" even more rarely than he thought. He relied too much on the same few tricks and effects and fills too much time with adolescent stoned-fascinated noodling.

you speak poop

^^^^^

mentioned above from way back
Also in the works is a separate two-CD set called Roots of Fahey, which will showcase the songs and musicians that inspired and influenced John throughout his recording career. Each track comes from the 78rpm record collection of John's lifelong friend, Joe Bussard.
this didn't ever come out did it?

don't espeeecially hear the branca, but the low notes are cosmically booming, sounds more like some brass/percussion combination than guitar.

What's the most far out stuff? His weirdest shit? Hurting's second sentence up there is my prob with Fahey too, but I haven't heard much.

his weirdest shit
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/The_Mill_Pond_John_Fahey.jpg

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/07/john-faheys-mil.html

I can definitely hear the Branca comparison. I didn't realize he was doing that sort of thing pre-Womblife.

This is more like it, cheers!! xpost

haha umm enjoy!

if someone could just list all the fahey records that aren't americana-ey fingerpickin or the blooze that'd be great thx

well I mean a lot of them are raga-y fingerpickin mixed in with americana fingerpickin and the blooze.

as far as the studio stuff goes, it sounds like you might be interested in his very late albums: womblife, city of refuge, hitomi, and red cross.

the mid period where fahey was experimenting with concrete sounds and doing duets with other instrumentalists is my fave -- these records:
-requia
-days have gone by
-vol. 4
-voice of the turtle

prob my faves.

p.s. not boring

fahey went pretty far afield at times, but it seems to me that looking for things he did that weren't informed by "americana-ey fingerpickin or the blooze" is like looking for james brown recordings that didn't have anything to do with R&B.

that is OTM. you might just be better off listening to some classical guitar stuff, or robbie basho or someone, if you don't want rural american nostalgia trips.

guys i've discovered this great guitarist - really adult and sober - anyone interested?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ik25cEsfHFw/R91qflx6X9I/AAAAAAAAAnM/y93pVT6Kan8/s320/julian_bream.jpg

i heard it said once - by a fahey fan, in fact - that julian bream broke a nail on tour, and spent the afternoon getting a synthetic replacement superglued on so that he could play a concert that evening. a few tunes into the performance, the glued nail pings off into the audience and catches a woman in the eye. apparently the woman died & j bream was arrested for murder, playing out the end of his life in gaol. i saw glenn jones play a few months ago and he had also had to have emergency manicure treatment at some korean nail salon in the arndale centre in manchester, but no superglue was involved.

I guess what I meant by the Branca thing is less about the process/instrumentation really but more the music's use of space and how the music bypasses *notes* exactly into more of a microtonal region, especially when he busts the slide out into those long, loping, descending lines accompanied by the furious arpeggiation on the open strings, and the massive overtones conjured up by that, etc.

I think there's stuff simliar on like the first movement of Symphony no. 5? Take a gander at that to see what I'm getting at. Not even saying they are of some lineage or something but they evoke the same atmosphere to me. I dunno. This could all be just stupid.

And thanks for the heads up on the Saualito stuff, checking that out now... and of course the mediafire link is down on Doom and Gloom... some really sketchy looking site called 'Rockin CD' asking 10 bucks to stream... guess I'll pass on that.

jim o'rourke says something similar in the liner notes to live in tasmania reissue, comparing him to charlemagne palestine - "ice cubes in a blender"

i'll re-up that sausalito set, give me a sec

annnnd here it is: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/21030078332/in-christ-there-is-no-east-or-west-john-fahey

3 years after that recording, Fleetwood Mac would come in to that studio to record Rumours.

Oh ha, that blog's you, huh? Fuck yeah, dude, thanks! I'll be sure to poke around your posts some more, that's a nice writeup you've got there. I imagine you've got most of the Delta Slider Fahey recordings, but do you have "Live at the Barn?" i don't remember where I found that one (somewhere else, not Delta Slider) but if you don't have it and would be interested I could up that too. There's a track where Fahey exhorts the crowd to commit suicide with him? Kind of some heavy shit.

i do have live at the barn. kind of a depressing listen! though he plays well for the most part.

for some reason i just don't listen to a lot of solo guitar records. in general. maybe when i'm older. i did like that numero group comp of private press stuff though. i do like selling john fahey records. i kinda like that stuff that bill orcutt has been putting out. that stuff is pretty demented. but mostly its just the problem of being a record seller. basho/fahey/bull stuff is just too easy to sell. i never hold on to any of it.

wanna buy some rekkids?
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/clt/3892820791.html

also for those in MD:
A COMMUNITY CELEBRATION OF JOHN FAHEY
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=150824&messages=1

Fahey was a christian? And also a wife beater?

http://www.fretboardjournal.com/features/online/letters-john-fahey

yeesh, john fahey, what a kook! there's some interview where he says "I'm establishing contradictory mythologies all the time" (or something along those lines).

the john fahey handbook is fun btw -- kind of like vicariously being a total obsessive. it's certainly made me look at voice of the turtle in a new light. talk about contradictory mythologies. that said, it made me hope for a really great bio/analysis of the music -- did someone say byron coley was actually doing this?

he did a lot of xmas records so i guess i'm not surprised & obv in christ there is no east or west

haha, well, as those letters show he had his own orthodoxy

ha i fully accept fahey as completely nuts. some of the album art in voice of the turtle confirmed this for me years ago, along with reading some of his other writings.

also what kind of shape was he in in 1975 when those letters were written? pretty rough iirc? feel like he was in rough shape for most of the 70s, 80s, and 90s

There is a bio that's almost finished that is not by Byron Coley but I've promised not to say any more (not because it's some big secret, but because the book is still being edited and it's not my place to make such announcements). I got a chance to look at some early chapter drafts, though (author is a friend), and I think it'll be worth buying.

I like the Handbook, too. I was looking for info about Volume 2, but there's no indication it'll be along anytime soon. I'm really looking forward to that one, though, as the second half of his career (Of Rivers and Religion and Railroad 1 all the way up to Womblife and Red Cross) is more interesting to me these days, musically, than the first (which I also love).

Just bought the Handbook on Amazon -- sounds like my kind of book.

It's pretty intense scholarship. I mean, there's a section that analyzes the thickness - in fractions of an inch! - of the line on the center label that underlines the word "Takoma" on specific pressings. Seriously. But, I mean, read this book if you never again want to lose an argument on John Fahey minutiae.

Worth it for the photos of the actual handwritten Fonotone labels alone; also the story of the unique way (and frequency with which) Fahey changed his guitar strings. I've read a lot on the man, and this was new to me. I won't spoil it for you but it's consistent with everything else you know about the dude. Anyway, well worth buying. I've really been enjoying it.

Well consider me stoked. Fahey's music has never intimidated me -- tho I confess there is a world of music that motivates him that I do not know the slightest thing about. I wonder if the book will start to fill in some of the blanks. Or perhaps other blanks.

As for his condition in 1975...others will know if I'm venturing too far afield but I've always been under the assumption that Fahey was a somewhat well put together scholarly type through the first batch of records and then had some kind of mental break sometime in the early 70s -- perhaps motivated by his latent discovery of sexual abuse as a child (which puts that back sleeve of America in quite a different light).

As a result, most of the videos I've seen of him in the mid-1970s almost don't resemble the humorous, well-spoken musicologist we see in the 60s.

some of the album art in voice of the turtle confirmed this for me years ago

i was wrong, it was the america album art that made think of this! i thought it was voice of the turtle.

http://paperandvinyl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/back-cover-to-America-1024x1016.jpg

haha, that one is awesomely terrifying. all of fahey's mythmaking strikes me as pretty conscious though (even if there is clearly a tortured soul beneath it all) -- he even says in that past comes back to haunt you interview that it helps sell records.

as fun as the fahey handbook is, i'm still shocked and awed by how badly designed the cover is! with the wealth of cool takoma labels and that amazing photo of fahey's wife holding the umbrella over him as he performs, surely they could've come up with something better. oh well.