We all want Real Madrid to win

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Dom Passantino is my favourite ILXor.

Inter vs Milan in the first leg (I missed last night's, grrr) was captivating stuff, exceptional football played by the most skilled and drilled defenders and midfielders in the world. I'm not at all a fan when a catenaccio team goes up against a free-flowing one (though I'll be hollering for Juve tonight, natch), but seeing two such teams play each other was riveting.

I suspect Juventus could win tonight. I certainly see no reason to support a (formerly fascist) club who are the kings of financial mismanagement - though, unlike Leeds, they were bailed out to the tune of £200 million by the Spanish government.

And I fuckin' hate Brazil, too. I don't like Des Lynam while we're at it - smug AND clueless is quite a feat. Remind me why he ever became a cult hero?

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really enjoy watching Juve play, what with Davids and Nedved rampaging through midfield and, as Tim says rightlty, Montero being a fantastic spoiler. He was man of the match by a country mile when they put Barca out.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wish Champion got to commentate more, he is so much easier on the ears than Drury or Tyldsley.

Juve have been so desperate up front in almost every match I've seen this season. I thought last nights match was ok, I'm not sure how Mark and Dom could enjoy it so much though, the last 15 minutes rescued things. Maybe I'm not enough of a purist here.

How come Costacurta was defrosted for the match? And will he be playing in the final?

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Costacurta's been back in the team for months now, so I'm sure he'll play in the final.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I actually agree with Chris about Davids. Less so about Nedved. Whether or not we can support a club with a dodgy past such as Real's reminds of of ILM threads about singers whose real lives are objectionable, yet who somehow manage to come up with beautiful or challengin (or whatever) music. I'm with Ronan - maybe I'm not purist enough to see the beauty in cat(enacio) and mouse football.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

It depends on context of course. Italy v Holland in Euro 2000 was amazing.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm surprised no-one's giving Madrid much chance against Juve...it could go either way, possibly away goals to Real, possibly penalties (its amazing how few penalty shootouts there have been in the Champions League...2 finals and thats it?!)

the Milan derbies were both pretty dull i thought.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone gonna stick their neck out on a score-line for tonight?

Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

one nil to Juve - nedved in the 43rd minute

chris (chris), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ronan, I missed last night, so I can't comment, but the first leg was gripping.

I play football on Wednesday lunchtimes and I'm known as Costacurta. Because of my name, not my talent, though I am an ageing, slightly out of his depth sex symbol central defender.

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

the Milan derbies were both pretty dull i thought

erm, the second one was way more animated
...and Inter's kickboxin' Mat-tvoju!-erazzi should've been sent away, huh, like twice!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

(oh, and -- i never want Real Madrid to win)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

As I stated upthread, 1-0 to Juventus.

Man, I'd forgotten how great Italy vs Holland in Euro 2000 was until I was reminded of it here. De Boer (which one was it again)'s first penalty in the shootout is one of my all time favourite Italian football match memories. Heather Mills could have hit that better.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

The thing about Juventus' strikeforce- Alex Del Piero has been (with the possible exception of Henry) the best player in the European Leagues this season. It's just that, as anyone who has ever seen an Italian national match since 1997 will realise, he just isn't a big game player (and this goes for Champions League as well).

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm going for a Madrid win. 2-1 with both goals from Zidan, just to really stick it up the Old Lady. I know that Juve have it in them to fuck me off and nick it but I think Madrid are hungry for it.

Alex K (Alex K), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think people are investing too much faith in Juve's defence.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

They have only conceeded 22 in 31 Serie A matches this season, though. The confidence is there for a reason.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I prefer Juventus to Real.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Clive T is too pro-Madrid, and should be censured.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tim Hopkins, a pub in Lancaster, watching the European Championship final, 2000:

'I want the Italians to win - they're magnificent defensively and are a true team of all the virtues of football, not just pretty pretty fannydanglers' (or words to that effect).

Sometime later when France have resorted to massive hoofs up the pitch in English stylee:

'I like the way France are playing. I might change my mind...'

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with Pinefox about Clive T, despite my preference for Real tonight. But then I think Clive T should be silenced, period.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dave: consistency is my worst vice. Nice to see you in the Exeter E&E today btw.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wahay!

Spent most of this morning on the blower to Sir Gary Nelson...

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Go go Serie A..

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

There is a reason for having ITV2 after all!

Real should buy some defenders. I just knew Figo would miss that penalty. Had to keep screaming "shut up" when Venison kept saying that Montero should be sent off, didn't mention the Real players making "book him" motions, which I thought was a bookable offence. Poor old Nedved.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 19:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Christ what a disaster. I'm surprised how much I didn't want Juve to win.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Real Madrid are a bunch of wankers, and watching them lose, or hearing about them lose, is one of the greatest pleasures in my life. I hate the way everyone gets right up their arse when they couldn't even beat their own grannies half the time.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

well, well... nothing much - else - apart from Real's loss tonight -- has gladdened me as greatly, lately

(now if only a big iron bird carrying La Lakers would drop from the sky...)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

i was up for juve, because they were sort of the underdogs. i wasn't particularly bothered either way, though, just up for a few goals and entertainment etc. john toshack's co-commentary on TV3 caused much unintentional hilarity. he was amusingly pro-Real (perhaps understandably, i suppose) and when the penalty was misse, he went "NOOOOOO!" in a really whiny voice.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

It was one of the crappest penalties I've seen.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

and if i had a pound for every time he whinged about montero not being sent off etc etc...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm no Juventus lover, but surely a big old fashioned Nelson Muntz "Ha ha" is in order here.

Reports of Serie A's death have been greatly exaggerated...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I've been telling people that for the last couple of years. In competitions like this, you get blips.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

...Real Madrid are a bunch of wankers...

i think i understand where those words're coming from, and i even sort of agree with the emotion behind those words, b-b-but - it's not the players who are to be accused of "wanking", methinks, the *Real Wanker* is rather that chap with his fat wallet who believes he can buy up any players he'd fancy and thus make the 'greatest team', obv.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

well they WERE the greatest team against Man U, really sublime...i can't quite fathom how they couldn't handle Juventus and how inconsistent they seem to be in the Primera Liga but at least they prove their worth now and then as opposed to not at all - obviously neither is good enough, but they'll be back. i think Juventus are the only team who could do that to them, Lippi is brilliant really and the resolve of the team is admirable, as it was in '96 when they tipped the scales against a mighty Ajax. there's just something a little unsatisfying about how Juve have only played well in their last 3 games and not significantly well at all until the quarter finals - what if the Champions League really WAS a league, where would Juve be? above Man U or Madrid? it almost renders the whole group stage irrelevant for clubs like Juventus because they can turn the tide so rapidly so late on. i just hope the final won't be too cagey now...

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was fucking great. The schadenfreude was of a superb vintage.

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate it when underdogs win, because if they they deserved to, they wouldn't be underdogs. That having been said, Juve were not boring and I will support them in the final.

b.R.A.d. (Brad), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't dislike the players, or Perez - it's those who coo all over them cos they've got a Brazilian here, a Brazilian there etc et-fucking-cetera. They're good, but they're not all that. The game tonight proved two things:

1) Football is great because teams like Real Madrid don't win all the time. It's brilliantly uncertain at it's best.

2) Madrid lost cos Davids was magnificent, as were the Juventus midfield. Roy Keane = the reason why Man Yoo went out. He's past it big stylee on a European level.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gosh I take it all back. (Based on ITV's highlghts) I thought Juve were stunning, Davids in particular. Juve's piss-poor showing against U***** put into some sort of perspective. In other words, the early group stages shown up for the expensive irrelevance they are. I shall miss seeing Zizou in the final, because I want to see him play, but, fuck, Juve were outstanding.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

The official Real Madrid site had this amusing bit in their official report:

There were two minutes left... plus five more minutes of additional time. Kill or die. Raúl pulled all his weapons but missed it in the 94th minute. The tenth cup will have to wait.

Rough words!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 May 2003 01:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

They were sublime b/c Man U abandoned any notion of defence,(weird thing to do in CL semi but it happened) while Juve have the best, or among the best defence in Europe if they have there starters and everyone's healthy. Really there teamwork is better than Madrid, who seemed like they were relying on their rep. Madrid's formation was suicidal and perhaps dumb but I actually think Juve's a better team.

Next year Fido and ZZ are 32 and chubby Ronnie is not cut out for the daily grind. Hell show up in big games but won't carry the team week in week out. Juve are awesome all around.

And Fucking play Rivaldo Morons!

Nicolette, Thursday, 15 May 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, Davids was absolutely incredible last night - ditto Nedved and Thuram and for that matter Zambrotta. Made Real look ordinary for the most part.

Also, you could tell Figo was about to miss that penalty from the way he bottled it seconds before kicking.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

How exciting was that last five minutes, though?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

for some reason it always seems more impressive when a team knocks out two clubs from the same country in consecutive games, in this case both Barcelona and Real were knocked out by the same club, as Bayer Leverkusen did last season with Liverpool and Man Utd

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

My prediction up thread was pretty spot on huh. Uhm... anyway, whathtefuck? Madrid were poor while Juve seemed to have peaked at exactly the right time (same old story there). I dunno, Real just didn't seem up for it at all - all the big names seemed pretty unconcerned I thought.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

very exciting stuff last night. I didn't want real to win as their defending (as was shown last night) is really poor. my italian team is AC milan. my brother has always supported juventus.

felt sorry for nedved (sp?).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone see the ITV2 footage at Bar Italia in Soho? Aaah, happy FAP memories (or lack of them).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Have I gone totally insane, or was the ITV coverage heavily floppy-former Liverpool player currently working as a third-string player for Real biased? (I mean, that was never a booking for Nedved now, was it?)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Christ John Toshack was on Irish TV, he sounded like he'd eaten 50 bags of weed before the game. It was bizarre.

How many times have you seen a player try and dummy a penalty and fuck it up?


The final Juve goal was sublime. Some great football by Juve throughout actually, obviously the end of the first half in particular. My Del Piero jibes certainly came back to haunt me. I did think it was a foul by Nedved though.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

you don't see cuper and lippi collapsing with heart failure do you? maybe smoking would calm premiership managers down...

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Woodgate in goal at right end shock. Just as well, any more own goals and he would have been Escobared.

Madrid were truly sublime in the 2nd half last night. Raul's goal was lovely and Beckham was pinging the ball around like a ping pong pinger.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 20 October 2005 07:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe they can play well for a full 90 minutes one day?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Real Madrid sacked coach Wanderley Luxemburgo following an emergency meeting of the club's board on Sunday.

The 53-year-old Brazilian, who was Real's fifth coach in the space of two and a half years, had been in charge of the team for just over 11 months.

Reserve team manager Juan Ramon Lopez Caro has taken over as caretaker boss.

A club statement said: "Luxemburgo will not continue as Real Madrid coach. The club has already been in contact with captain Raul to break the news."

The club reportedly held initial talks immediately after Saturday's 1-0 win over Getafe, which was the club's first victory in three league games.

It is believed Luxemburgo did not take the team's training session on Sunday.

Cadena Ser radio and Antena 3 television speculated that the 53-year-old had already been told by club vice-president Emilio Butragueno and sporting director Arrigo Sacchi that he had lost his job.

Former Brazil coach Luxemburgo, who has been at the Bernabeu for less than a year, has been under huge pressure since the tame 3-0 home defeat to arch-rivals Barcelona.

Real followed that by salvaging a 2-2 draw at Real Sociedad with two late goals before the home victory over Getafe - a result overshadowed by David Beckham's third red card in two months.

They have qualified for the knockout stages of the Champions League but are unable to overhaul Lyon as Group F winners and will go into the second-round draw among the second-ranked teams.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Real Madrid president Florentino Perez walks out on club?

Cousin yogurt beard (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 February 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Is this like Lakers vs. Heat?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Neither the Lakers or the Heat are Francoist Scum.

Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, maybe Miami.

Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder what El Presidente of 'FC Barcelona' thinks?

Probably that Real's business plan is faulty.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

when the revolution comes, i want the bernabeu bombed to rubble

English cunt read Guardian (imago), Monday, 26 May 2014 00:18 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

Wayne Parnell ✔ @WayneParnell
HALA MADRID. VAMOS!!!!

^^^this guy is now on a dark, dark list

people who support real madrid are the worst savages in the world

imago, Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:30 (nine years ago) link

http://tryingtoohard.org/

Chairman Feinstein (nakhchivan), Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link

my DN before the bump was a fucking lost classic obv

imago, Saturday, 20 December 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link


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