― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tarden, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Emma, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I don't like girly girls. I am not going to defend that statement. I just *never* seem to get along with them, no matter how much we have in common otherwise, they just irritate me.
Preoccupation with weight and the cult of the girly-girl... if it occupies your mind and soul to the point where you cannot even enjoy some of the basic pleasures of life, like Bouze and Chocolate, then screw it, yes, that means girly-girl. To not worry about it is almost impossible in this day and age and culture of thin-worship (yes, I'm aware of the irony of that statement, given my opinions on the skinny guy thread). Do I think about it more than about once a day, when I'm trying to get my jeans on over my hips? Nah, or I wouldn't be fat in the first place.
Girly girls are... I don't even know how to make a categorisation, because there's an exception to every rule. Generally, obessed with their appearance (often to the exclusion of very basic fun... "I can't eat cause I'm on a diet... I can't run cause I'm wearing stupid shoes"). Obsessed with boys, more with *catching* a boy, because she feels incomplete without one, as opposed to objectification of boys according to appearance or anything else. Obsessed with uber-feminine topics... babies, flowers, interior decorating.
All these things are generalisations, yes, but they're just examples of the sort of people that I do *NOT* get along with. I don't know if I'd get along with you, Emma, I haven't met you. From your online personna, I'd *guess* that you're not terrifically girly-girl according to the preconceptions and prejudices described above.
And for the record, I'm not insulting anyone, or having a go at anyone (see the whole "office people" misunderstanding, which was patently stupid, considering I was *working* in an office at the time) I am just stating MY PERSONAL BIAS about people I do and don't get along with.
End Of Rant.
My god, if this keeps up, I might just make it to the bottom of the stats cock by the end of the week!
― Kate the Saint, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I am scared of Saturday now in case I am wearing difficult-to-run-in shoes and you decide to beat me up.......
― Nick, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kim, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Besides, I think I'll be far too busy watching the DG/Mark S deathmatch to worry about beating anyone else up!
― AP, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Graham, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kerry, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I did like Graham's point as well. Who's doing the talking there? Or even attempting the listening?
What was interesting was growing up and thinking to myself that I'd never do anything horrible to a woman to make her cry, seeing as I was never going to be a wifebeater or hurler of sexist insults or whatever. And yet I did make people cry because of my own faults regardless. :-( Hopefully I've learned...but have I?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
You don't have to answer, of course, and I don't mean to be impertinent about sth which is presumably very personal. I am just curious.
Are you, um, putting the cart before the horse?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave M., Thursday, 19 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nick, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
the punchline, on the inside: 'that just means you aren't pressing down the pillow hard enough!'. the rising amount of unreported woman-on-man domestic makes this very unfunny to me. i'm too tired for it right now, but anyone want to theorize about 'goodbye earl'? the video, gah.
― ethan, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kerry Keane, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Patrick, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
(For the record: I thought the joke was funny, but the humor has more to do with the inherent wrongness of it being okay to murder your SO. Gender wasn't a factor.)
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tarden, Saturday, 21 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― lady die, Sunday, 22 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
What's your defn of sexist crap?
A man-hater is someone who associates certain characteristics that they hate with being male. If one were to really dislike men who behave agressively, one wouldn't be a woman hater. On the other hand, if one really disliked men because they thought that all men behave agressively, they would be a man-hater. It's the same with misogynists: if one were to really dislike women who burst into tears at the drop of a hat, one would not necessarily hate women. On the other hand, if one were to really dislike women because one thought that all women burst into tears at the drop of a hat, they would be a misogynist.
― Dave M., Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Otis Wheeler, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tarden, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave M., Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― , Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Oh, come on. It's more that (in relation to the raping and maming bit, at least) it's comparatively very rare and even then, kept quiet (cause of 'unmanly' pressures you allude to later). If it *is* reported then it gets a BIG reaction from the world. It's like "WOOOOH! Dog bites man!" and then some women rightly make a fuss that it's ridiculous to give it so much attention when it happens all the time to women and this gives the women-haters 'see how they wish to censor THE TRUTH!' ammo and it all goes round in circles.
But some of the things you say need to be talked about maybe. It's just a shame they tend to get dressed up in one big Neil Lyndonesque seething tirade. The key thing is why do they have to add up to 'hating women'. Hating anyone is stupid enough. Let alone half the bloody population. I do feel fucked up by certain gender roles, yes. But sex wars are so passé. I've only just lightened up enough to enjoy Sex and the City on the grounds that it's all shit but it doesn't matter if there's a good joke every so often. Except it's not often enough. I'm with Julie Burchill on this.
― N., Tuesday, 5 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Regarding hatred of women, I have never advocated this, I ventured to answer the question raised in this forum, why do some men hate women.
Regarding the gender wars, I think a good step to end those would be the media, representing a very small segment of women, need to stop the war against men and in particularly boys in order to stop the gender wars. The media is guilty of denegration and degredation of males more than any single woman I know.
― , Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
*blinks, shakes head*
What, at St. Bobbitt's Hospital for the Stupid?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Samantha, Wednesday, 20 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
As for Samantha's statement. Yes Samantha, there are places in the world like afghanistan and many arab lands where womens rights do not exist. This is a horrible situation and certainly needs changing. Look at Nepal where they sell their daughters as young as 6 to Brothels in India where they are raped and usually infected with Aids and die by 20. I will be the first to stand up for change on this front too. But what we are actually discussing here is more OUR society and our cultural perspective. And in our world it is a situation which we have been moving towards where we have made great strides for womens rights and changed many aspects of the former gender roles of females while we have stagnated in changing anything for men. Just look at Sweden, arguably one of the most progressive countries on Earth in terms of equality. In this country where over 50% of all members of parliament are women, 76% of all students at universities are female, males assume many responsibilities that were once thought to be part of the female gender role, men still assume primary responsibility for all perceived male gender appropriate activities. For example, in this bastion of equality it is still only males that MUST go into the military. Why has this not changed? Could it be that we as western societies still cannot accept the thought of disposing of our women as we are prepared to do with our men?
All in all my major point is that our perceptions of males in society is still not progressing. While we update our views on women we still live in the stone age with regard to our views on male gender roles.
― , Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― toraneko, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I think men and women get a raw deal sometime, but men are less able to speak out. -- mei, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:12 (1 hour ago) Link
oh bull -- kenan, Monday, 1 October 2007 16:14 (1 hour ago) Link
Recursive LOL. As a man I speak out about what I percieve to be men's situation and get stomped.
― mei, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
That is such amazing irony that I'm sure it was planned.
― HI DERE, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
He was a h8r boi She said 'see ya l8r boi'
― Abbott, Monday, 1 October 2007 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i just read "various" in m. white's post as "vicious"
― gff, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm
― mayhaps, Monday, 1 October 2007 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link
http://blingkits.com/DVD%20DVD/Menstruation/Menstration6.jpg
― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Surely, surely, surely we got this sorted?
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:29 (seven years ago) link
in binders, iirc
― brimstead, Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:30 (seven years ago) link
Hiyoo
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
Why Do (some) People Ask Overly-Broad Questions on Message Boards?
I mean, really now.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:42 (seven years ago) link
It draws the crowd, eventually they get around to the pitch (which almost always disappoints)
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 August 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link
They see in women a constant, painful reminder of their own incipient boobage.
― Two Kisses and Three Wet Mouths (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 August 2016 04:13 (seven years ago) link
(not all) Men
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 25 August 2016 04:14 (seven years ago) link