What's up with US Maple?

At least one of the S&S guys found US Maple very sketchy, as in "they're biting our stuff! Of all the stuff to bite!"

(tries to resist the urge to throw the desk over and growl SKELETON KING at all my coworkers)

― still small voice of clam (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:31 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahaha this will be my favourite ilx post of today just fyi

Ehhhh...I don't really think US Maple and S&S were all that similar, really. Avant rock is a big playing field.

i think that audiences that were into US underground rock then were really accepting of noise or dissonance and fucked up vocals and confrontation as long as it ROCKED in a fairly conventional manner....Maple denied you the right to rock out or pump your fist, which is why i think they could really irritate ppl

― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:20 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also my distance from it notwithstanding, this seems really true and likely a followon from the 80s also, in that I have had cause to think/read about Sun City Girls quite a bit lately and much the same seems to be said of their shows

x-post I think the S&Ser in question was more annoyed that his particular stuff was being bitten, to be honest, but it was an out-of-character remark by a very nice non-competitive person so I won't be more specific.

W/r/t S&S: I had seen U.S. Maple at least twice before I even heard of Storm & Stress who I thought were good...and there are similarities but Storm&Stress were a much more "conventional" experimental band (haha), esp live.

also Shorty wasn't exactly Superchunk either

Yeah, I have a really hard time imagining that the players in U.S. Maple were looking towards Storm & Stress (or Don Caballero or whatever band folks from Storm & Stress were in before) for inspiration or ideas. Seems pretty clearly to be an extension of Beefheart rather than any other bands around at the time. Guys seemed to know exactly what they wanted to do and it didn't seem to have anything to do with other players/bands around at the time (to me at least).

Seems like maybe someone from Storm & Stress wanted more recognition for their playing style.

Generally speaking, I think US Maple was a refinement of what I wanted from Shudder To Think.

ha that's weird

Could maybe lob a "this sounds like Polvo" comment at this more than anything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYf3g4i91fg

Not that I think US Maple and Shudder To Think sound a bit alike. I just really dig the idea of catchy riff rock thrown into a blender.

i can hear some definitely hear some similarities between the guitar playing in u.s. maple and in don cab but it's more with "what burns never returns"-era don cab, and USM already had a couple of albums out by that point. just seems like contemporaries coming up with some similar ideas based on similar inspirations at the same time, and aside from the guitars the bands are so different.

didn't realize m. gira produced talker

The comment was made in the summer of 1998.

...and I could see his point at the Empty Bottle gig where it was uttered more than in the 1997 video, so let the penny drop on the cognoscenti.

agree w n/a - there were tons of bands kind of mining different veins of the same kind of thing at that time...

also, no disrespect to storm & stress, but maple had a lot of skin graft bands they toured with and were sort of a likeminded community with that they probably were influenced by

grandavis is right, I've always felt a Polvo connection w/Long Hair.

S&S I always assumed were part of the Joan of Arc crew

The only time I saw these guys live I had miscalculated and was halfway between drunk and really drunk :(

Just went and listened to some Storm & Stress for the first time in a long time. Obviously it had to be Ian Williams that was concerned about the musical biting, and I can see where he might see some of his phrasing present in U.S. Maple, but really not much. The context is so different, and S&S really does sound more like Joan of Arc and other "post-rock"-y things than the mutated rock of U.S. Maple.

Sorry, not really that concerned and don't wanna bash S&S, just thought it was silly and wanted to explore it a bit. I think S&S is pretty cool actaully, but just can't imagine why a dude in that band thought U.S. Maple was "sketchy" in re biting their shit. They weren't exactly headlining big venues or selling records, you know?

Them being a trio and me feeling like a jerk for having said too much, I will neither confirm nor deny yer speculation.

in any case, this being a us maple thread i think that any reasonable person can agree they definitely carved out a unique niche in the world of mid-90s post pigfuck rock

Hey, sorry, not looking for confirmation at all. Just an obvious assumption. Wouldn't hold that kinda thing against anyone, its a natural thing to do (i.e., compare your playing to other players).

fwiw US Maple was around before Storm & Stress.

I saw S&S in a record store way back, I think touring on their first record. They were awesome, and especially the drummer. They were playing in front of the store's front window and he turned around and dragged his drum stick across the glass mid-song, making this piercing squeal. It was terrific.

Never saw US Maple live but really wish I did. I love Talker to death.

All this talk about 90s avant-rock/pigfuck/post-pigfuck bands is making me nostalgic. Does anyone remember The Cranium? I haven't heard them in a zillion years but in my mind I lump them in with this wave of bands. Did not realize until doing a bit of googling last night that two guys from The Cranium started Gang Gang Dance.

listening to camp skin graft!

lake of dracula y'all!

yona kit!

you fantastic!

Yeah, and the other half of The Cranium went on to form Blood Lines with two girls who themselves would go on to form Telepathe. Blood Lines were for a while my favourite live act, never saw The Cranium though

i want a Now Wave t-shirt

http://s3.amazonaws.com/delivery.midheaven.com/c/119591/images/6472166050650_main.jpg

strangulated beatoffs - "satan's pool party"

^^band name & title almost like a high level parody of a "transgressive" underground band from a book

My favorite Skin Graft release - Dazzling Killmen's "In the Face of Collapse". Not as goofy/spazzy as some of the other stuff on the label - much angrier - but still really incredible. Darin Gray, the bass player, was in Yona Kit and (I think) You Fantastic and Brise Glace too. And I think the drummer went on to play with the Mars Volta for a while. And of course Nick Sakes did Collasamite afterward.

More Skin Graft - Melt Banana! Mt. Shasta! Such a weird and wonderful label. And Shorty did have a full length (asked above), also on Skin Graft. I remember the promo materials back then, claiming someone in the band was Kevin Costner's brother. Never did know if that was actually true or just some bizarre joke.

yep al 's there on the lake of drac a'hootin just like we needs him to.
only time i saw storm and stress williams did some superb joke-free stand-up comic act.
maybe he was referring to that. shea was awesome as always - the guy is a legend.
check starfuckers' "infrantumi" - similarly maplesque in disjointed unswung beats, but al's croon/howl replaced w/ whispered italian situationist psychosexual diatribes. neet-o. altho no-opry/blues angle
somehow some o pumice rubs my maple bone, but not always. tension release. god nose i luvs me some derrick baileys, but if onlys he#d fucked his own idea and wanted to rock for 10 secs a piece once in a while.
never really heard the captain in maple. love the captain, grew up with him, he is my "jungle book", still love it, but don't really get that.

nick is a friend, and actually did the great band Sicbay for years after colossamite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wA1U0clWNg

Love how two of the most active ilm threads are on Taylor Swift and US Maple.

I listened to Acre Thrills. My favorite song iirc was Open a Rose.

FWIW, I think "Open a Rose" is the most initially appealing because of that coherent drumbeat, but not *necessarily* the best, though again nothing wrong with it. Talker has a similar one: Apollo Don't You Crust if memory serves, but I might be wrong.

i liked the whole thing -- but that was the song where i looked to see what the title was. the rest of the time was trying to think of how i would describe it and all i could think of was "watery"

open a rose is the only track that clicked w/any [non-fans] i've played acre thrills for.. it's also the initial 'standout' track, and the one that wore thin the quickest for me. "total fruit warning" is a gem, w/those vocal-sounding, slide-y runs up the guitar neck during the releases/climax-moments.

talker was a revelation for me, because i'd been immersed in free-form guitar stuff, and then to hear those sorts of sounds arranged into "song" forms, i was sold. and "running from kabob" was easy, welcoming, with its regular rhythm.

haha i feel like a proper noob so the early 90s vibes are full and complete

i admit i rocked the shit out of 'open a rose' though, when i got the album. i was a shuttle driver, and it sounded great.

I have to say I feel like a US Maple lovefest happens every year and anything I could say right now, I'd have said it twice before. If anybody knows these guys please ask them to have an annual BBQ or something I would travel to see them play again and/or just sit around and listen to their records.

That is, a US Maple lovefest happens on ILM every year and that's totally OK

i would pay to sit around and drink beer w/al johnson

I'm sure he would accept your money.

strangulated beatoffs - "satan's pool party"

^^band name & title almost like a high level parody of a "transgressive" underground band from a book

― i dox in yellow gox dox socks (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, October 19, 2012 3:13 PM (1 hour ago)

that was stan seitrich's whole deal, after leaving drunks w/ guns he released a bunch of 7"s that were covers of drunks w/ guns songs with a 12 year old girl doing the vocals

feel like there are tons of bands that work the US maple angle, obv they were pretty important to the PVD noiserock scene

monorchid, get hustle, arab on radar were doing similar things at the time but maybe my memory's playing tricks on me

i don't really see the monorchid/u.s. maple connection at all

feel like all the monorchid axis stuff is kinda fucked garage rock at core tho

arab on radar are a lot more macho than maple

ha machoness is never something I associate w/ AOR

Arab On Radar was the only one of those bands who sounded even sorta like US Maple.

I like to imagine that Beefheart (and Pere Ubu) is somehow responsible for all of this. That thought brings me joy.

Would pledge loads via Kickstarter to see that documentary finished.

Also, has anyone ever seen Bob Odenkirk and Al Johnson in the same room?

Hey, Ian Williams was in High Fidelity too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppJAkN4m9bY