I'mma lay your LOLs on the dresser and EXCELSIOR them shits with a spiked bat!

same thing happened to my mom in college - her freshman year roommate iirc

i think you misheard her u big stud

mistranslation of the word keren when describing moses descending from the mountain caused michelangelo to make moses w/ horns

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/michelangelo-sculptures-18.jpg

uh xp to mordy, this fukn phone

lol they were being euphemistic

I always assumed the drawn-on horns were supposed to make the person look like the devil. I don't know if it has real anti-semitic origins, but I doubt that's what most people think they're doing, and I kind of prefer not to even spread that idea because it just makes it more true, if that makes sense.

i think they thought i was hiding my horns under my yarmulke

mordy, that's amazing in re michaelangelo (keren -- my daughter's name btw -- means ray of light, for those who don't know, but it does also mean "horn" in the antiquated sense, like a horn of plenty, iirc)

something similar happened to me once - someone asked to see my horns, i must've been in ~6th grade at the time

― Mordy, Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:57 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:/ You should have seen my face when she told me that story. I had no idea that was even a thing. Also being from Long Island and living in NYC it was pretty weird to me that this dude had never met a Jewish person before.

speaking of kerens, do u know keren ann's music? xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0Qx8HwlW4

ive heard that story about the moses a lot but i always thought it was kinda bullshit. seems more likely that michelangelo was just reproducing an anti-semitic stereotype, doesnt it? i dont know the sourcing on the mistranslation story though

huh

The depiction of a horned Moses was the normal medieval Western depiction of Moses, based on the description of Moses' face as "cornuta" ("horned") in the Latin Vulgate translation of Exodus.[3] The Douay-Rheims Bible translates the Vulgate as, "And when Moses came down from the mount Sinai, he held the two tables of the testimony, and he knew not that his face was horned from the conversation of the Lord."[4] This was, however, a mistranslation of the original Hebrew Masoretic text which uses a term equivalent to "radiant",[5] suggesting an effect like a halo. The Greek Septuagint translated the verse as "Moses knew not that the appearance of the skin of his face was glorified."[6]

The church historian Diarmaid MacCulloch comments about this: "Jerome [the translator of the Old Testament into Latin], mistaking particles of Hebrew, had turned this into a description of Moses wearing a pair of horns - and so the Lawgiver is frequently depicted in the art of the Western Church, even after humanists had gleefully removed the horns from the text of Exodus."[7]

The assumption for centuries was that Michelangelo simply "didn't know better" than the accepted mistranslation. However, as Rabbi Benjamin Blech pointed out in his 2008 book, Sistine Secrets,

"[The statue] never had horns. The artist had planned Moses as a masterpiece not only of sculpture, but also of special optical effects worthy of any Hollywood movie. For this reason, the piece had to be elevated and facing straight forward, looking in the direcion of the front door of the basilica. The two protrusions on the head would have been invisible to the viewer looking up from the floor below — the only thing that would have been seen was the light reflected off of them." [2]
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i wonder what the relationship btw the anti-semitic myth of horns and the "normal medieval Western depiction of Moses" as being horned is

i took a class in college w/ benjamin blech! he told all kinds of stories of visiting the pope and touring the vatican archives

have u ever been to rome? the moses is unbelievable in person

he knew not that his face was horned from the conversation of the Lord.

adding "... with sexy results!" to this seems redundant

so is the image of the horned devil originally an anti-semitic thing?

everything is invisible except the light reflecting off it

"[The statue] never had horns"

huh? but... it has horns!

you never horns

this rabbi says the "horns" thing may originally not have had negative connotations, which may explain why michaelangelo portrayed such a noble-looking horned moses:

http://whctemple.blogspot.com/2011/02/do-jews-have-horns.html

it kind of makes sense -- there are several traditions with horned gods, e.g.

These aren't cow-licks.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NWYf5I8tijI/UIR5wUeJoJI/AAAAAAAADJQ/fVZ58-50UmA/s640/IMG_8861.jpg

bunny ears

stop it guys, i can't stop laughing

@'_'@

'Sup. Brought ur commandments iirc'

mmmmOOOOOses

i keep trying to decide how tasteless a 'me so keren-y' joke would be

http://millercards.net/im_kb_large/kb867.jpg

Oh wait, those are glasses. never mind.

"i eat cannibals, it's incredible" - paul coelho

― a short history of takei (clouds), Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:40 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Like to think I laid the groundwork for that one.

(I didn't, but throw me a bone.)

Yes. Excellent.

I have to admit I have heard weirdo jewish stereotypes from midwesterners, but mostly from people who were very rural or from Missouri. Like, living in a Kansas City suburb (lol Overland Park).

Actually I think Overland Park might be on the Kansas side, now that I think about it? I don't really know (or care)

I have never, ever heard the horns thing IRL.

And I was about to go LOL at "magic" being a negative stereotype of Jews until I looked it up.

first google result for "magic jew" is vice :(

I asked to see Mordy's horns once and his golem attacked me that night :(

more Jewish horns here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4fyakgcshk

quit calling me "mordy's golem" i have a name

throws pottery punches

punchbowls, duh

thats p interesting about the midwest and outlandish jewish stereotypes. i live in the south and we have stereotypes about p much everyone else, but none about jewish people, really. maybe we dont know they exist

that was the general thing down south for me. took me a long time for people to ask to see the horns and by then it was more of a joke.

have never heard of that as a stereotype of jewish ppl at all except in in eons-ago history! totally amazed by it. the only jewish stereotypes i knew about growing up in the south were from SNL, i think. there was only one jewish boy at my school that i knew of and he literally draped himself in an israeli flag so he was probably just the only one i knew of

did that even make sense? he was just really out about it so i was made aware.

I think the only real stereotype about Jews in the south is "killed Jesus."

more along the lines of "God's people" in my experience

i dont think thats as prevalent as people think. thats more of a catholic remnant than like a baptist thing ime? sorry lets get back to lols i forgot what thread i was on

xpost crut otm

little from column "killed jesus", little from column "god's people"
mostly people were much more prejudicial about the fact that my folks were yankees, as were most jews i met in the south, that's original sin for you