prince not prince

fuck if we're gonna bust open the fake prince songs cherry

Ready For The World - "Oh Sheila"
Shalamar - "Dancing in the Sheets"
Nine Inch Nails - "Closer"
Outkast - "Toilet Tisha"
Elvis Costello - "Blue Chair"

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:39 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i agree with "oh sheila" and "closer" for sure

"oh sheila" is kind of a bad rip-off. "Closer" is... well, closer, but has a few more tricks up his sleeve than to come right out and say something appalling like "My whole existence is flawed."

but PRINCE has a few more etc

scout -

He wrote all the songs on that, did most of the guide vocals also. There are plenty of the demos for the album floating around the
interwebs. A sweet rehearsal with The Family is out there, too.

btw - kind of a rare record at the moment, at least in the US! Out of print for years.

yeah, i've never heard the Family or Madhouse records and i'd like to.

I hope Wounded Bird or Collector's Choice or similar reissue Andre Cymone's AC or Livin' In The New Wave

Also, not mentioned above as Prince Not Prince:

The Three O'Clock "Neon Telephone"

I think most of the albums made in the 1980s by members of Prince's "family" are mostly or fully written by Prince, and he plays most of the instruments on them too. This applies at least to The Family album, the first three albums by The Time, the first Sheila E. album, the first Jill Jones album, and the Vanity 6 and Appollonia 6 albums. The reason why Prince isn't credited on these albums, or he gets the credit only for one or two songs, is because the artists or Prince himself didn't want it to look like they were mere puppets of his.

The Family record is as good as the Vanity 6 record is fun and dumb i.e. not incredibly so, but not as bad as Mazarati (although I really really wished Mazarati were good. That album cover. Prince's attempt to cash in on superficial 80s dress fashion via Purple Mercenaries with occasionally great songs is really fucking funny and awesome in retrospect.)

btw tuomas i've been listening to those 12" mixes a lot. the kiss extended version is crazy, it almost sounds like he went back and did it while making lovesexy.

"High Fashion", "Screams Of Passion", "Nothing Compares 2 U" are the highlights on that Family record.

"Yes" was better than most of Lovesexy, but I'm a Lovesexy hatah, so keep in mind.

Whatever happened to St. Paul the dude?

I remember seeing a video for a song "If I were a Rich Man" in the late 80s thinking, man this really sucks compared to the Family, and then that was it.

I think the Family album is okay, but the male vocalist on it isn't very good. The best Prince side projects I've heard are the titular album by Jill Jones and Exodus by the New Power Generation. The Jill Jones record has good song material ("Mia Bocca"!) and she's simply a better singer than Vanity or Sheila E. or Morris Day or whoever it is who sings on that Family album. And Exodus simply has some great funk grooves, plus a few pretty ballads and a weird but cool psychedelic rock number.

Too bad most of this stuff has been out print for years, and since even Prince's own albums from the 80s have never been reissued and remastered, it seems unlikely the side projects will be reissued soon either.

btw tuomas i've been listening to those 12" mixes a lot. the kiss extended version is crazy, it almost sounds like he went back and did it while making lovesexy.

Oh shit, I uploaded all the B-sides for you too, but I've forgotten to send you the link. Will do that now.

i saw st. paul with a band of ex-prince dudes (incl. erik leeds) last year. it was an decent show, but they stayed away from prince tunes and st. paul seemed a little bitter that the club wasn't packed and that he's not more famous.

# Prince changed the lyrics "You don't have to watch Dynasty/To have an attitude" to "You don't have to watch Sex and the City/To have an attitude" and later to "You don't have to watch Desperate Housewives" and "You don't have to watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy/To have an attitude" during his 2004 Musicology Tour.
# In his performances at the O2 Arena in London, UK, Prince changed the lyrics to 'You don't have to watch Big Brother/To have an attitude."

All true enough, I guess.

Stevie Nicks - "Stand Back"

How the hell did he fit "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" in the place of "Dynasty" in the song? Did he add a few extra bars to it?

His tongue is very talented. That news has been out for a while.

Keep in mind that if there are any reissues, they will be done via Prince, and Prince will likely do a lot of overdubbing over lyrics he now consideres improper, for starters.

In other words, start thinking about raiding the cache of the original WB releases while you can -- even if they're quieter and aren't remastered to oughties standards.

Then again, I don't know if Prince has control over his old catalog, or when he will be given his old catalog back.

Rhino/WB would be the folks to talk too -- although, surely, they have tried to get on the Prince reissue wagon years ago, and well we all know how Prince feels about Rhino/WB, so they probably got denied and will always be denied. Who knows? but I'm not holding my breath.

Because of this thread, I put on Sheila E. Romance 1600. This whole record really blurs the line between prince-not-prince and just plain old prince.

"Toy Box" is great. You know? I'll go ahead and say it. Forgotten, underappreciated.

okay, I am listening to Ice Cream Castle for the first time and absolutely dying at "Chili Sauce" OMGWTFLOL

I was going to start a thread on the 'Twin City Sound' but I thought this would be a better place to start a master list.

Directly Prince-related:

The New Power Generation, Prince

In the Prince-a-verse:

Appalonia 6
Vanity 6
The Family
The Time

Other bands that have that Twin City funk sound:

The Jets

Other non-twin city bands with the sound:

Cherelle
Ready for the World

Mazerati was Prince-a-verse

Andre Cymone

Madhouse

94 East

Carmen Electra

Mayte

Andre Cymone

^^^underrated

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcuVdaKWkUs

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/611/MI0001611543.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

No mention of 'The Sex Of It' by Kid Creole?

Or Martika?!? "Love...Thy Will Be Done" is fucking epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMX27W_1tsQ

On the faux Prince front, I've been into A'Me Loraine's Starring In...Standing in a Monkey Sea lately.

This

http://youtu.be/BO3qlgUINEE

can anybody hook a fucker up with the s/t Jill Jones album? I've been looking out for it for years with no luck.

I think I have it somewhere? Maybe? I'll take a look when I'm home.

I seriously need to double down on evangelizing that A'Me Lorain album. One of the most underrated pop albums of the '80s (with only a handful of mentions on ILM).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKHDIvC2Uvo

I have that Jill Jones album, it's actually pretty easy to find on vinyl, but the CDs are very hard to come by, as it only had one CD pressing in 1988, and it must've been pretty small considering the market for compact discs back then. Anyway, after years of searching I noticed some Minneapolis record store was selling a couple of new(!) copies online for a reasonable price, so I quickly snatched one.

Anyway, it's a great album, possibly the best non-Prince one he produced, I'll see what I can do about sharing the joy...

I looove the prince demo of g spot and have long wanted to hear how it plays in it's jj guise

The only complaint I have about the album is that it doesn't include the club mix of "Mia Bocca", the best tune Jill Jones ever made. The album version (which segues straight from the intro) of it is really good too, but the club mix is even better.

Here you go, Jon.

Leonardo Music Journal -- Awesome!!

Anyway, for stuff that had nothing to do with Prince but sounds like Vanity 6, this is my favourite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QVPwRLRKU

leonardo whassssuuppppppp

thx t

we need a list of prince knockoffs that prince had nothing to do with, like ready for the world's "oh sheila"

there are a few such things mentioned on this thread, but most of it is stuff prince actually wrote and/or produced

would that include music by former bandmembers