Grown so ugly.

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Mach IIIs roxor.

Although 'shaving with fruit' also seems like pretty U&K advice.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 24 March 2003 00:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Razors seem to be one of those areas where you really can say "well, this one costs more, so it's better." At least that was always my experience -- I worked my way up the price ladder until I was finally getting the shave I wanted. I used the Mach III, if I remember right; doing that hot water thing let me switch to disposable Bics and I still get a closer shave than I was getting before, which once again just shows you how much a difference the hot water makes.

Oh, and dispose of the blade when it needs to be disposed -- no matter how good the razor is, a dull blade is a dull blade, and that especially makes a difference since you have a rough beard.

Didn't we have a shaving thread? I think ILE is where I picked up the hot water thing.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 24 March 2003 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have to shave in the direction of the hair (instead of the advised against-the-grain)

It's not advised! You're doing it right. (see 'Barcelona')

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 24 March 2003 01:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

enjoy your decline. it's the only reasonable response.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 March 2003 02:34 (twenty-one years ago) link


Living alone gives me too much room to indulge my laziness.

I've bought one of those self-assembly abdominizing gyms for 30 bucks, taken up badminton classes, cut way back on beer and started a banana-only diet.

What more can a man do?

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 24 March 2003 02:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

What more can a man do?

give up. no, not really.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 24 March 2003 03:00 (twenty-one years ago) link


Yeah well, that as well.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 24 March 2003 03:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I shave in the shower. I did this in college and while it wasn't as option in basic training I did go right back to it ASAP. I rub hot water on my face and then go to it with my Mach 3. The day I feel it even begin to pull I change blades. I do have very fine hair , but it's coarse around my neck and lips and I used to get bumps. I haven't used shaving cream in years and years, or any other prep treatment. I don't use alcohol/aftershave either - I think that bcz I do it first thing in the shower, the hot water does a similar job.

I work out 3 days a week or every other day depending on time constraints on my own laziness factor. Lately I haven't been because preparing dinner and learning statistics have been occupying my time. But I just do one or two sets of calisthenics, flutter kicks, pushups, diamond pushups, crunches (situps are bad!) and reverse pushups. Lots of stretching.

I don't gain weight, though, because my metabolism is a rocket. So no help there. But staying toned is just a matter of giving a shit, it really is. You can always find 30 minutes to chop out of your day and once you get into a rhythm it's pretty easy to warm up, burn yourself out and warm down even within that brief timspan.

Flutter kicks are your friend.

Millar (Millar), Monday, 24 March 2003 03:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

What are flutter kicks? Squats, bridges, crunches (with some variation), pushups and reverse pushups are great. I do squats at odd times--I'll do some if I'm alone on the elevator, or brushing my teeth or something. Just here and there, really regularly, when I find myself alone and standing there for whatever reason. It adds up.

For moisturising after shaving--Cetaphil cream is excellent for sensitive skin. It's the only stuff I can use that doesn't sting like hell when I have razor burn on my legs. I use it on my face too, though if you don't have extremely dry skin you'd probably want the lotion. Good moisturisers are sometimes more expensive, but worth it. Aveeno lotion is another really good, gentle moisturiser. I have used every fucking moisturiser ever for my superdry, sensitive skin, and those two are the best IMO.

It's easy to get critical/overaware of appearance stuff, especially if your appearance has changed. But you probably don't look as bad as you think you do. With friends of mine that complain about weight gain, sometimes I don't even notice until they point it out. Even then, it always seems to me that they look just fine.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 24 March 2003 04:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Flutter kicks - lie down on your back. put your arms flat by your sides so that your palm is on the floor by your hip. lift both legs off the floor about six inches or more. Without letting either foot drop closer to the floor or touch it, alternate lifting each foot about one foot into the air or higher, without bending your knees. Depending on yr ratio of weight between yr upper and lower body you may want to change the position of your arms.

Do as many as you can stand, obviously. Back at my peak I think my cycle was thus:

1. superman crunches (lie facedown, lift up your head and put yr arms out in front, then use yr lower back to pull yr upper body off the ground)
1. reverse pushups
2. flutter kicks
3. pushups
4. crunches
5. diamond pushups (save the worst for last)

Millar (Millar), Monday, 24 March 2003 04:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

ah, okay. i do some similar exercises. you have to be careful to flatten yr lower back to the floor so as not to strain it (or modify the exercise until you're strong enough to have proper form). that's really great for lower abs, and more interesting than reverse crunches.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 24 March 2003 04:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

no, seriously, enjoy your decline.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 March 2003 04:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm reaaally not looking forward to aging. i bet there's part of it you can control but it's just going to get worse and worse as you get older. what's to enjoy? everything slowly stops working. it's depressing.

try cooking for yourself for relaxation when you get home from work. you can make the spices and sauces interesting so you don't need to eat as much, and it's fun.

Maria (Maria), Monday, 24 March 2003 04:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Eat tangerines and spinach. Num.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 March 2003 05:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Get plenty of sleep. Keep your hair neat. Dress nicely.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Get sleep, amateurist - the benefits of 7 or 8 hours a night are too numerous to mention.

Exercise - get a pair of running shoes and run. For the first week or so, just go as far as you can until you feel you're about to die - even if you can only run for 5 minutes. Then stop and walk a bit. Go out and do this every day. Soon you'll be able to run further, the pounds will drop away and you'll feel so much better, both mentally and physically.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 24 March 2003 09:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

have sex but do not ejaculate.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I rarely actually sit down and prepare a real dinner, as I noted upthread I never get any sleep (I compulsively, self-destructively stay up until all hours of the morn seemingly every night).

I used to do this, as I live alone too, and would stay online until 2 or 3 in the morning. Kate's advice is perfect. I started walking to work and university, occasionally go to the gym when I can be bothered, and I feel so much better for it. I get properly tired, like physically rather than mentally, and I sleep much better. Also, what Kate said about the seratonin and all that. My mood is better, and I have more energy, just from a half hour walk every day.

Madeleine (Madeleine), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes: activity which isn't a nervous fidget or a manic rush. walking, playing, all those things. just don't ejaculate.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I walk an hour every day. And I never sleep. What's wrong with me?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

is it walking like I will walk or is it just a walk JBR? I like walking myself. But unwinding while walking is something else.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do it for exercise, and to burn off some of my excess nervous energy. I guess that's "unwinding," right?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

hahaha i must burn off my excess nervous energy thats a difficult one.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kate's advice is v. good, I did a similar thing last year: I was over 17 stone 12 months ago and by Christmas I was down to just under 13 stone...walking is slacker exercise, it's great

DG (D_To_The_G), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

imagine how large and unattractive i would be if i had a drivers licence...

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

How much is a stone? I'm not sure, but 17 --> 13 sounds mighty impressive.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

according to some chart I've Googled, it's 14lb or 6.3503 kg

DG (D_To_The_G), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

on the shaving thing - this might have been suggested already but why not grow a beard. the grizzly adams look is gonna hit big this spring.

David X, Monday, 24 March 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jesus, well done DG. I thought you were looking healthy on Friday! We thought it was because you'd had your hair cut!.

chris (chris), Monday, 24 March 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

ooh you cheeky bugger

DG (D_To_The_G), Monday, 24 March 2003 13:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think DG has had a 'collagen implant'

the pinefox, Monday, 24 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the pinefox needs a 'slap'

DG (D_To_The_G), Monday, 24 March 2003 13:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thank you, Simeon.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 March 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

seriously though, as i think has been mentioned, feeling ugly can stem from wider issues than just the way you look. i'm going to get a bit hippy on you now: walking and excercise are excellent suggestions but i think they need to be integrated into your life rather than just tacked on as a method of overcoming low self esteem. its ironic that we have all these labor saving devices, we mostly work low physical activity jobs, and we then have to "workout" at the gym to catch up (why don't gyms run generators off treadmills?)
if i'm going to get extra leisure time i want to use it for leisure, not "work (outs)". I'm not suggesting you can't enjoy jogging, or pressing weights, or whatever, its just for me an element of worth or fun needs to be there and its not in those things.
dancings good! gardenings good! fuckings good! using your car as little as possible is a wonderful thing (maybe we wouldn't have greenhouse gases, or war either) and yes, as also mentioned, enjoying cooking means you're actively involved in understanding to "fuel" you put in that body.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cooking is good. I don't have a car so no worries. Thanks for all the advice upthread.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also getting into the tying of bodily health to mental health (IE feeling good about yourself because you're fitter - and it does only take a little exercise to make a difference) can be tricky. If you tend to get down becuase there's not enough happening, it's a useful thing to do with your time. If you get down because everything's happening/you're not managing time properly, it'll be the first and most noticable thing to go, and can drag you down when you really don't need to be.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

me agree w/gaz...working out must be fun in order for someone to want to do and not look at it like a chore that *must* be done.
You said you have a bike--riding around Chicago is surely more fun than lifting weights (not good for burning fat) or running on a treadmill. Beyond being painfully boring, jogging may do you more harm than good: it takes a toll on your bones when you pound them on concrete and there are many things that could be damaged ie feet, knees, back.

oops (Oops), Monday, 24 March 2003 21:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

bikes are fun!

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

i agree!

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

(hills are not so fun.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does no one in here swim? Maybe there's a pool at that school of yours. Swimming is fun, and if you go hard a better aerobic workout (fat-burning, muscle toning) than running + much less wear and tear on your body. I try to swim 4-5 times a week, and now I sleep through the formerly insomniac nights, not to mention look better and feel better. Get in the water already!

Paula G., Monday, 24 March 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Water exercise is the best for injury-prone joints. And swimming works a whole array of muscles--it's excellent exercise.

But with biking you get outside...there's those paths along the lake in Chicago that would be great with the weather warming up...

JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

i admit it is a struggle to hoist my fat ass on the bike these days. i also feel like i get more exercise in the short run by walking the same distances (= i am more tired), even though i know it's wreaking more havoc on my body in the long run

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

i started biking again recently and crashed twice in the first two weeks! ouch! bad grazes, serious bruises.
bikes in cities are NOT fun, btw.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

LAst night I rewatched old self-video-ed footage of myself and was amazed how different (better) I looked. (I did/do try to represent myself in the best possible way - to me - when filming myself though this is not as simple statement as it seems because I recently filmed myself staring into the camera after a massive crying bout looking really fucked up and puffy) uh anyway I just wanted to complain about how from about last year (I'm 27) I got one of those tiny tiny bits of skin sticking out below my eye and it really annoys me and I don't want to be covered in them as I age!

elizabeth anne marjorie, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

spectra you have always been gorgeous, and i can't say i ever noticed any little bit of skin under your eye.

di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 05:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i recently test-rode one of these fancy new-fangled electric assisted bikes. it was pretty cool - going up a hill was not much more effort than being on the flat :-) it'd set you back about $1,000 tho :-(

ron (ron), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 06:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

timspan

Time measured in Hopkinsecs?

As usual, though, I have nothing valuable to add.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

We're all getting uglier, it's horrible. I was pretty hot 5 years ago or so, y'know

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 12:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

SP, that sounds horrible.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

fuck yeah, it's awesome

yolo mostly (sleepingbag), Friday, 24 June 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link

ikr

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Friday, 24 June 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link

I think I'm getting better looking as I age. Mostly by being extremely sedentary/unfit in my 20s, I set the bar really low as far as looks go. I'm certainly getting gray/wrinkles and years of sun exposure are showing up, but I think in general I'm feeling good. Confidence and being in relatively good health help that a lot.

Jeff, Friday, 24 June 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link

high-five!

those photos are a good basis for comparison as you are making the exact same expression in both. also, photo 1 should be made into a dealwithit.gif

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Friday, 24 June 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link

It's awesome how as I get further away from the metabolic damage done by a couple years on Risperdal as a teenager- why, sure, it's FANTASTIC for social phobia!- and find better information about how to take care of myself (because I live alone and rarely hang out with anyone more than once a month) all the positive effects are essentially undone by the effects of aging so I work myself to the fucking bone but still look like an unfuckable human potato

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Saturday, 25 June 2016 03:08 (seven years ago) link

Also I am super fucking hammered if that was not obvious.

PROTIP for hanging out with an ex and discussing how amazingly their new relationship is: DO NOT THIS

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Saturday, 25 June 2016 03:13 (seven years ago) link

I feel like I'm at least breaking even as I age and possibly getting better looking on account of not really having has any concept of fitness until at least my early twenties and then very gradually getting better and more serious about working out. I had a few years of decline after the kids were born, but around last August I reintroduced a pretty fierce gym habit and also started seriously lifting for the first time in my life, which I feel like has made me look stronger and more manly than I used to and given me more presence.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Saturday, 25 June 2016 03:25 (seven years ago) link

kind of a wash for me -- I am more comfortable in my skin, but less comfortable in my clothes, perhaps because perpetual ongoing low-grade student poverty means that the only new additions to my wardrobe in the last ~5 years have been gifts from mom. I like to imagine that I will eventually look quite dashing in a suit, though!

You're talmbout one of the best PLURs of all time (bernard snowy), Saturday, 25 June 2016 03:32 (seven years ago) link

Got into- not an argument, but a discussion w/ ex trying to explain to her I was taking a short break from OKCupid, Tinder, etc while I worked on losing weight- doing a 12-week calorie cut to try and drop 15-ish pounds, at least. How am I suppsoed to react to being told it doesn't matter, people will like you whatever, etc when seriously I have been somewhere between slight to worryingly overweight ever since I got started on antidepressants when I was about 12? It's basically impossible to explain to people who were attractive in their teens/20s/etc, but basically I hate my body as it is now and as it has ever been and I want to burn that shit to the fucking ground. Why is it vanity or cowardice to want to take some time out and work on myself so I can not have fucking tits at least once before Im' 40?

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Saturday, 25 June 2016 03:34 (seven years ago) link

In a few years I am certain that people will be remarking at how dapper and handsome I look as I lie in my coffin.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 25 June 2016 04:03 (seven years ago) link

The mourners, of course will be lying rather more pleasantly (see what I did there?).

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 25 June 2016 04:10 (seven years ago) link


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