Avril Lavigne: C/D?

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A most worthy approach, Mr. Kortbein. :-)

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

is joke! laughing, etc

― Josh, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

six months pass...

"I love that New Radicals song. And who was it? Was it Patti Smith that raved about that song once in an interview? Of course it was probably in her "People Have the Power" days. Oh wait...those days aren't over."

Joni Mitchell gave it props recently! I think Michelle Branch's "Game of Love" is the positive female counterpart to this song. They sound so similar, chordwise & vocally.

― Fivvy, Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

six months pass...

Utter utter classic beyond disbelief. The footery harmonics below the main riff of "Sk8ter Boi", the intricately timed and overlapping intro to "I'm With You", the k-chk k-chk guitars in "Losing Grip", such a pretty pretty voice in places and the lonelinest peopled universe in the world trying to convince itself that there's more to love than life but falling and stumbling and hurtling and hurting itself into the revelation that, yes, that is true but there's not enough without it.

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 9 August 2003 23:22 (twenty years ago) link

"...loneliest..." & "...more to life than love..."

― David. (Cozen), Saturday, 9 August 2003 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

I liked the typo better: "More to love than life".

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 05:28 (twenty years ago) link

Plus, I've never understood the Avril hate on ILM.

I mean, what's to hate?

Her version of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" doesn't suck anywhere near as much as I though it would. And the proceeds go to War Child.

Some people just hate teenagers in a kind of irrational orgy of (their own) post-adolescent self-loathing, I guess.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 05:32 (twenty years ago) link

I passed a couple of exact Avril clones in the mall tonight. the hair, the tie, the makeup, the expression - everything. it really creeped me out for some reason.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:02 (twenty years ago) link

Avril reminds me of how they have cartoons (both series and movies) with some sort of fantastic adventure, like space travel or being a rockstar or mountain trekking or whatever but there's that one character who is total CRAP but put there so that the kids can identify with someone? That's who she is.
-- Sterling Clover (s_clover...), June 28th, 2002.

this may be my favorite post ever.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

I passed a couple of exact Avril clones in the mall tonight. the hair, the tie, the makeup, the expression - everything. it really creeped me out for some reason.

I saw Avril recently -- probably on MuchMusic -- and she said almost the same thing.

Then she said she's ditching the tie.

Priceless.

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:22 (twenty years ago) link

Some people just hate teenagers in a kind of irrational orgy of (their own) post-adolescent self-loathing, I guess.

As one, I think I can say sans the post-adolescent self-loathing (but with adolescent self-loathing to spare!) that a good majority of people hate teenagers, because they're dumb.

Especially in the Avril case, with Complicated and Sk8r Boi's incessent whining that preppies just don't get them, and they're tired of being outcasts. Nevermind the borderline racist (yes, I said it) mentality of putting people into such groups -- I'll let it slide, that's what teens do -- but c'mon, skaters aren't the outcasts? It's nerds.

That's why DEVO will always be the ultimate punks.

I think I was trying to make a point, but lost it when DEVO sprung to my mind. Damn. Well, I'll go listen to them now. Right.

― David Allen, Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

You see, I'm firmly of the belief that teenagers are absolutely not dumb.

Then again, maybe "mainstream" teenagers are, after all, as dumb as their adult counterparts.

But seriously, I've worked with damaged and hurt (street, abused, neglected) teens for a long time, and they never cease to surprise me (perhaps because I'm dumb?) with their intelligence and insights.

I have this theory that those of us who had crappy transitions into adulthood, if we haven't confronted and in some way "dealt" with them, we tend to view childhood -- and especially adolescence -- as something bad.

I've seen perfectly "nice" adults fuck up their kids royally, and usually over something trivial -- like "if you won't follow the rules of my house, get out!" People: do you ever stop and think what happens to kids out there when no-one but their equally lost friends are looking out for them?

Sorry. Something I got a lot of thoughts and surprising emotion about. I'm not necessarily defending Avril, per se, but just that sense that it's the feeling of being outcast that matters to many, whether it's objectively true or not.

Now back to our scheduled programming...

― David A. (Davant), Sunday, 10 August 2003 06:58 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

HEY (HEY) YOU (YOU) I DON'T LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND
HEY (HEY) YOU (YOU) I THINK YOU NEED A NEW ONE

i think that's the only part of her new obnoxious hyper-pawrp single i like but it's sumpin'

― blueski, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm loving this.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

AND HELL YEAH I'M THE MOTHERFUCKING PRINCESS

― lex pretend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

This reminds me how much I'm looking forward to Courtney Love's new album.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

"she's like, so, whatever"

loving this song.

― smash your phonograph in half, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I can't stop listening to it.

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I was very emotional in 2003. Wow.

― Lostandfound, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish the whole song were the chorus.

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

^^^ accurate

― A B C, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Her new look is kinda awkward though

― A B C, Friday, 2 March 2007 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

she looks like veronica mars now

― s1ocki, Friday, 2 March 2007 07:39 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a good thing.

― baaderonixx, Friday, 2 March 2007 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Why did I guess that The Lex would like this?

― kv_nol, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

because it's a really good song?

― lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

If you say so.

― kv_nol, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Avril Lavigne are among the better manufactured mainstream teenybopper acts from recent years. A bit like Bangles/Tranvision Vamp/Go-Go's. Which isn't a bad thing at all.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Generally, the more retro, the better.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

[i]Plus, I've never understood the Avril hate on ILM./[i]

1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I like your notion that Avril is a plural entity. It opens up a world of possibility

― DJ Mencap, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir you sound quite bitter sometimes.

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"Girlfriend" pretty much rules.

― jaymc, Friday, 2 March 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I was totally thinking Transvision Vamp when I heard this song too!!

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

This song is dreadful and the girl needs to sack a) her producer b) her songwriter c) her stylist.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

wanna segue this into ashlee's 'boyfriend' for a bratty high school double whammy

― lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

She may sack her stylist,

However, acts such as Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, Brandy and Missy Elliott are the ones who need to sack their producers and songwriters and replace them with Avril Lavigne's. Would improve their music considerably.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't you ever get tired of spouting the bullshit you do? It must be exhausting.

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

[i]1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way [i/]

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― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

1. She has tunes. Actual great ones with verse and chorus and all
2. There are lots of guitars
3. She isn't R&B nor hip-hop in any possible way

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/images/300/headache_man2.jpg

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 March 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'M SO HAPPY.

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

THIS MADE MY DAY EXPONENTIALLY BETTER

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you heard the Cantonese and Japanese versions?

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG SHE IS SHAKING HER TITS IN TEH VIDEO

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, she has like 20 different versions of the song - Cantonese, Japanese, Protuguese, French...

― The Brainwasher, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

WAHT

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes it is amazing. But they've been on to it for fucking ever in the teenpop rolling thread. Still the best thread on ilm.

― I know, right?, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Bleah.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

you ARE damn precious Avril...

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

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Bloody hell she's 30 this year

― Scooby Doom (۩), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 12:39 (ten years ago) link

and Love Angel Music Baby is 10 this year

― some dude, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 12:53 (ten years ago) link

"Harajuku Girls" wasn't very good, but it had a hook or two. But this... jfc

― Vinnie, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link

is this what happens to punks when they grow old

― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6077437/avril-lavigne-charges-400-fan-photos-brazil

― DDD, Sunday, 4 May 2014 10:14 (nine years ago) link

^ Avril Lavigne Charges $400 for Awkward Fan Photos in Brazil

― DDD, Sunday, 4 May 2014 10:15 (nine years ago) link

gee, even my ~~shrink~~, ~~parole officer~~, ex, etc stands closer to me than Avril to her fans. err. literally

― Ludo, Sunday, 4 May 2014 11:08 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

I guess?

https://twitter.com/AvrilLavigne/status/557258140182642688

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 02:16 (nine years ago) link

dud af, fuck outta here

― soyrev, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 02:21 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

She found god

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/columns/pop/8480271/avril-lavigne-billboard-cover-story?__twitter_impression=true

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link

Interesting story -- glad she's better.

― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 18 October 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

https://toxictiktoks.tumblr.com/post/635617900676415488

― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link

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