Insomnia.

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (912 of them)

sorry dude.

(alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 2 December 2012 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

Aw Morbs, I'm sorry you are experiencing this. I had the same reaction to a dose of steroids; luckily I was only on them for two weeks. Once I finished I got right back to sleeping like a baby. Hang in there, good man!

quincie, Sunday, 2 December 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link

Does this ever hit anyone else randomly? Like, "hmmm, I didn't realize I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight..." after weeks of a normal sleep pattern?

on topic, I hope Morbz finally got some sleep.

Frobisher the (Viceroy), Monday, 3 December 2012 07:27 (eleven years ago) link

yes. seeing as i just woke up at 5.30 after going to bed at 2.30

(alternatively, “Respec’”) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 December 2012 10:42 (eleven years ago) link

good....... evening?

Frobisher the (Viceroy), Monday, 3 December 2012 11:28 (eleven years ago) link

Morbs, do they not give you oxy/hydrocodone prescriptions? That would help,no? How long is your chemo course?

Mount Cleaners, I take old school Temazepam which is 20 something dollars without insurance.

some girls, they rape so easy (sunny successor), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link

I've been given Nitrazepam, i had been taking Zopiclone, but the Doc wouldn't prescribe any more as they are very addictive apparently. These Nitrazepam can be taken daily so you can get into a routine/sleep pattern. Once I've had one, you can pretty much set your watch for 40mins and you'll be out. They are quite trippy just as you start to nod off, they also make you yawn a ridiculous amount after taking them. I still wake up in the night, but i can at least get back to sleep, without them once i wake up i stay up. There's no hangover feel or grogginess in the mornings which is a bonus.

not_goodwin, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

I have acetaminophen-oxycodone, ss, which I prefer not to take unless I'm in pain. (And in the chemo-free weeks, I prefer a moderate amount of alcohol.) I took one last night before bed bcz my arms hurt some. Still woke up at 5 a.m. The next chemo fortnight is my last one before being evaluated for stem-cell transplant.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

Zopiclone one of the least addictive sleeping pills available, although as with most, it can be brutal if you stop cold turkey - best to taper off slowly. Bigger problem is the awful metallic taste some people (about 1 in 3) get in their mouth for the next 24 hours after taking it. It is effective as a sleeping pill.

Ambien (a.k.a. zolpidem) works great for me.

Oxycodone and hydrocodone don't make me sleepy and generally aren't indicated for insomnia, but they are excellent pain relievers.

Lee626, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link

home for xmas is a bad time for this

mookieproof, Sunday, 23 December 2012 10:44 (eleven years ago) link

i got it too, past 3 days

♨ (am0n), Sunday, 23 December 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.granta.com/New-Writing/Kopfkino

mookieproof, Monday, 14 January 2013 06:53 (eleven years ago) link

i skipped through all the "this is my own personal nightmare" stuff and found this

There’s a term in German, Kopfkino, which means the imagination left to run wild, often magnifying the disturbing, unpleasant thoughts best kept at the mind’s edge.

i think this is also otm

We are, to a large extent, our own jail keepers. Our conditions define us, add contours, accents, drama to our lives. And the longer they accompany us, our so-called afflictions, the more years we spend together, the harder it is to part ways.

Using insomnia as an anaesthetic is definitely effective even if it has a lot of negative side effects (like every anaesthetic). I've been a lot better lately, not sure why. Fatigue from feeling fatigued?

this customer is a jerk (La Lechera), Monday, 14 January 2013 14:25 (eleven years ago) link

Another night of no sleep. I'm twitching, my heart rate is crazy, my guts are wobbly, I feel so ILL and DISGUSTING and FUCKED UP, and I can't make plans to do anything to help with my other problems because I can never tell if I'll have collapsed by early afternoon or if I'll be far too shaky and fucked to leave the house again. I have Zopiclone but my doctor has told me not to take it too often so I can't ever get to a stage where my sleep cycle actually resets. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

emil.y, Thursday, 24 January 2013 13:02 (eleven years ago) link

i started taking cymbalta last week and i have to say that although it doesn't get you to sleep, the sleep you do get is high quality. well, certainly 1000x better than any sleep ive ever experienced.

some girls, they rape so easy (sunny successor), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

Zopiclone is vile, emil.y, as I know I've said before! Have you worked things out at all?

Glad cymbalta is working for you ss, getting to sleep is 90% of my problem...

I've been routinely up until 2 or 3 a.m. since coming to Nigeria, sometimes later. It's an hour ahead of the UK and I haven't adjusted, after 3 weeks. On top of my usual insomnia, it's very hot, and I don't breathe well with A/C on. I'm out of Ambien and have only Atarax, which is a total dud. One of those long half-life drugs that makes you drowsy for 24 hours instead of all-asleep for 8. It's not actually a sleeping pill: my GP is a twunt.

I AM QUITE FED UP AND TIRED NOW BRANE. YOU CAN SHUT UP, THX.

Confused Turtle (Zora), Sunday, 10 February 2013 01:18 (eleven years ago) link

what are you doing in nigeria?

mookieproof, Sunday, 10 February 2013 02:12 (eleven years ago) link

Apart from lying awake at 3am cursing my GP, my brane, the heat, lyfe, Goblin Boy and all hys works, etc. etc.? Hanging out in one of the British Embassy compounds mostly, redrafting a novel, swimming, quaffing g&t's. I'm in Abuja, which is like if they'd made Milton Keynes the capital of England. Hotter. It's boring but having a pool in which to unkink my writer's neck is A++.

Confused Turtle (Zora), Sunday, 10 February 2013 02:21 (eleven years ago) link

I wish I had a more interesting reason to be here, but so it goes. My hostess has an exciting job (British representative to ECOWAS), and she spent last week covering for the British ambassador to Mali, up in Bamako. She had 8 bodyguards and ate out for every meal. I wasn't allowed to go. Sadface.

Confused Turtle (Zora), Sunday, 10 February 2013 03:03 (eleven years ago) link

that's a pretty exciting reason. then again my standards are v low for excitement :)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 February 2013 03:34 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that sounds pretty cool, aside from the non-sleeping part!

mookieproof, Sunday, 10 February 2013 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

It is pretty cool. I do wish I could get out of the compound more, though. We went out a lot in Cote d'Ivoire and I accompanied her up country for meetings with warlords & such, but she was flying solo in Abidjan whereas this is a full-scale mission, with rules and rule-enforcement. Also, Mali. I still think of... let's call her Paddington... I still think of us both as mostly being about 17, so it's a bit weird to wake up and find she's acting head of mission in Mali.

Confused Turtle (Zora), Sunday, 10 February 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

So wait, you're there keeping your friend company while she talks to warlords? That's quite an opportunity!

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

Nooo... I *was* keeping her company while she talked to warlords, back in 2007 & 2009. This time out I'm keeping the nanny company while Paddington jets off to play war games with the other big kids. I think I've got a role in a crisis simulation next week though \o/

Confused Turtle (Zora), Sunday, 10 February 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

I mean just being there is an opportunity -- not getting to talk to warlords, etc.. I wouldn't even want that sort of responsibility, personally, but appreciate that there are people in the world who do. Enjoy it imo.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 February 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

i've been taking otc sleep aids the last few months, after a bout of mild insomnia. i tried some herbal stuff for awhile but it wasn't all that effective so i went on to that stuff that's made from allergy medicine. it was making me super groggy in the mornings, but then i figured out i just needed to take at least 90mins before bed, and at least 10 hours before i have to get up.

so last night was the first time i've skipped a dose and i had the WORST WORST night - i was wide awake til 4am (which is fine, my husband is out of town for the week and i didn't have to work today) and then i was in this weird dozing state for about 90mins, but it felt like hours and the whole time i had this terrible, awful feeling of utter dread. i can't really explain it. i wasn't fully asleep but i couldn't seem to wake up enough to calm myself down; i kept hearing weird sounds and feeling convinced there was an intruder in the house, and the sense of impending doom was just... ugh i felt like an enormous weight was on my chest. i finally woke up fully when 2 cats started a full-on brawl outside my window that scared the shit out of me.

just1n3, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

listening to the rain is nice, at least

железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 10:20 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not insomniac, just I find my mind gets more ideas last thing at night and i don't want to break my creative streak. After work I went to a band meeting, wrote a music review and a treatment for a music video we're working on. That's pretty normal for an evening, but if there's nothing to do I generally find I have SOMETHING to do at 2am. I do feel like shit right now though.

dog latin, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 11:26 (eleven years ago) link

Fell asleep at 7 this morning after being awake all night, just woke up now and feel fine. Only problem is tonight will probably be the same.

not_goodwin, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 13:25 (eleven years ago) link

so last night was the first time i've skipped a dose and i had the WORST WORST night - i was wide awake til 4am (which is fine, my husband is out of town for the week and i didn't have to work today) and then i was in this weird dozing state for about 90mins, but it felt like hours and the whole time i had this terrible, awful feeling of utter dread. i can't really explain it. i wasn't fully asleep but i couldn't seem to wake up enough to calm myself down; i kept hearing weird sounds and feeling convinced there was an intruder in the house, and the sense of impending doom was just... ugh i felt like an enormous weight was on my chest.

yeah this is every night w/o medication for me. strangely ive started to be able to sleep w/o meds in the day quite deeply and well. but yeah that's a pretty great description of sleep med withdrawal stuff probably complicated by you being alone in the house when you usually arent.

I thought, 'This is Jeezo. He came in, he activated' (sunny successor), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

After rereading my post that day, I realized it was probably sleep paralysis?

I haven'ttaken anything since last friday, and I've been doing ok - getting probably 6 hours of interrupted sleep. Not ideal but not terrible. gonna try some different herbal stuff this weekend.

just1n3, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

Has anyone discussed the paradoxical effect of sleep aid usage resulting in increased insomnia symptoms? I bring it up because when I was taking them (the pills), I would only do it on nights I needed to know that I could have a full night's sleep. But then the next night I was buzzing around 3 hours after my bedtime unable to fall asleep. Consequently, the following night (night 3) I would use the medication again and it became a really vicious/stressful cycle. Now that I don't take the medication at all I have a much more...how to say...predictable experience at bedtime.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link

yeah totally. although on night 3 i am usually too exhausted to need a sleep aid.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/03/11/130311fa_fact_kolbert?currentPage=all

owls >>>> larks imo

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2013 01:44 (eleven years ago) link

What if I like to stay up late but also like to get up early?

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 March 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago) link

u crazy?

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2013 02:33 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, I know that.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:31 (eleven years ago) link

secret is non-24 hour sleep cycles, I managed a bit of it a while back and I felt really active and was unusually productive. I did something like: awake 6pm-8pm, asleep 8pm-6am, awake 6am-midnight. Then it broke.

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:38 (eleven years ago) link

I agree. I'm all about the naps.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

Altho in my case it's more like awake 8-5pm, asleep 5-7pm, awake 7-2am.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, I love naps.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:55 (eleven years ago) link

naps are crucial.

johnny hit and run paul lynde (get bent), Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, I know that.

<3

the article mentions that one dude moved into a cave and tried to live a 28-hour cycle and failed. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 March 2013 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

mm that hour of sleep from 1am to 2am really hit the spot.

a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 06:25 (eleven years ago) link

yeah totally. although on night 3 i am usually too exhausted to need a sleep aid.

― mookieproof, Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one thing ive learned about my particular brand of insomnia is that exhaustion does not equal sleep. i can be physically exhausted as fuck but the brain still says 'no sleep for you, sucker'

(from a bottle you dicks) (sunny successor), Friday, 5 April 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link

has anyone tried that sleep aid that you can take at 3am?

(from a bottle you dicks) (sunny successor), Friday, 5 April 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

vodka?

I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:14 (eleven years ago) link

whiskey?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:20 (eleven years ago) link

self-abuse?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:21 (eleven years ago) link

As a possible temporary fix, there's another new benzodiazepine derivative that's become available online in the U.K. - Pyrazolam - that was apparently developed by the Russians & is currently legally available at very low price (30 pills for £10) - I won't name a reliable site these can be bought from unless requested.

Chemical info from government drug info site:

Pyrazolam is a benzodiazepine derivative which is water soluble.
Pyrazolam has a duration of action of approximately 6 hours
Pyrazolam has no active metabolites.
Pyrazolam has activity approximately x12 that of diazepam (Valium)
Pyrazolam acts as a high-affinity GABA positive allosteric modulator with a moderate duration of action.
Pyrazolam is used primarily as an anxiolytic.
Pyrazolam causes less ataxia and sedation than comparable agents at normal doses.
Pyrazolam is more selective for the α2 and α3 receptor subtypes than most benzodiazepines.

But it was this awesome 'trip report' I found online that persuaded me this was worth trying at least once:

Tried these last night was very happy with the results. As stated before they defiantly have the anxiolytic properties with sedation.

Just to note I have a bit of tolerance issues over from abuse of similar substances. Start lower if you are new to this class of drug.

9.00pm took one with a friend an hour or after eating some pizza.

9.10 Starting to feel something happening. Feel very content

9.40 Decide to add another one feeling this could add to the effect.

10.00 Feeling very content with life. Been outside with a friend to smoke and he agrees that we are in a good head-space.

10.40 Add one more while my mate chooses a movie. The Green Hornet really? Normally I might have objected but don't really care at this moment in time. I reach over and grab some ice cold peach ice tea which is going down well.

12.30 Decide to have another one.

1.30 1/2 Sublingual tastes pretty nasty. Did feel effects hit hard quick though although this could be from the one previous.

2.00 Took one more and chatted to a friends although the sentences were not long they were profound. I had a very calm mind and knew that pushing it any further wasn't needed. I probably could have stopped at 3 to be honest.

3h Went to bed. I could have stayed up but wanted to wake fairly early to continue cutting my garden hedges...

Woke up feeling great about 9.00am. If I could have stayed in bed for longer I would definitely have. Don't feel bad today at all. Still got a very clear head and been in a positive mood.

In reflection I did not need to take so much but alas it happened. Although this didn't negatively effect me at all it might others with less tolerance.

I wouldn't really rate this recreationally apart from that we were both very content with life. I had no memory problems at all etc

Sorry that it's brief but I am off to the pub to meet friends and don't want to be late.

Campari G&T, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.