The Cure boxset "Join the Dots", the tracklisting is here!!!!!

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If The Top disc had the demos for that album (available on Cats Like Cheese and the Swingin' Pig boot), I would get the tatoo of the "The Top" in that font I've been putting off.

The Tiananmen "Faith" is just so over the top, I seriously can't listen to it. But I had that Hot Hot Hot boot too, great sound quality.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

Those demos are pure butter. I LURVE THEM I DO.

Demos of all of the albums would be great, actually. I want "Two People" on CD.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:18 (twenty years ago) link

I can only second Dan and voice my disbelief over the inclusion of the Just Like Heaven remix snorefest and the absence of the glorious LGTB 'Milk Mix'.. I don't think they'll remaster Mixed Up either (in which case they would have to remaster Standing on the Becah as well..)

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

Well, Mixed Up did contain a lot of mixes specific to that album, not to mention the none-more-glorious "Never Enough," which is one of the most amazing songs that people keep forgetting ever. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

... and also one of the greatest songs to systematically sound awful when played live (except during the Summer of 1990 festival gigs)

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

"Never Enough" and "Fascination Street" didn't work live. Never heard a tolerable version of either.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

!!!

You guys are mental.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, Dan, I was beginning to feel outnumbered here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:41 (twenty years ago) link

(that could live up to the studio versions)

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:41 (twenty years ago) link

so the rarities on the box are diff from what will be on 2 disc sets?

i had no idea these remasters were coming out. i assume that carnage visors will be on the remaster of faith, which will be nice as i want to replace my tapes already!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

Nothing with overlapping vocals could live up to the studio version! You might as well include "The Drowning Man" in that list as well!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

No way Dan, the Paris 89 show w/ "Holy Hour" and "Drowning Man" is the best show they ever did! It's not about the overlapping vocals, it's about not being able to nail the original tempo, the studio versions have a swagger the sped-up live versions lose. Same thing happens to most of the pop stuff like "Let's Go to Bed" and "Close to Me".

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:12 (twenty years ago) link

The Wish tour versions of "Never Enough" and "Fascination Street" were godly. ESPECIALLY "Fascination Street".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

"Desperate Journalist," yes please. And what about the live "Faith" from that Charlotte Sometimes 12"?

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

Speaking of Faith, if you can find a reasonably priced copy of Happily Ever After on vinyl, the sound quality is shockingly superior to the botched Elektra CDs.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 10 November 2003 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

ill look out for it.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 10 November 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

re. Never Enough live, very quickly they dropped for no apparent reason the main wah-wah melody, thus making the song pretty boring..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 08:40 (twenty years ago) link

*Never Enough" and "Fascination Street" didn't work live. Never heard a tolerable version of either*

Crystal Palace Bowl, when they debuted Never Enough, it sounded awesome. I have the bootleg somewhere, come to think of it. And each remaster should def. have a live version of "A Forest" from that year.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 10:30 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, I also have that boot and it does sound very good. The 'Play Out' Brit Music Award version also rocks. So all the more surprising..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

Remastered two-disc sets of The Cure's albums and surrounding "rarities" are coming out starting in 2004 with Pornography, Disintegration and Bloodflowers.

Argh my fuckin' head's going to explode! You mean having lovingly collected all the albums on CD over eight years (Seventeen Seconds was the very first CD I ever bought - and I've just realised I made sure it was, just so I could say so in situations such as this), specifically bought the big empty black Wish-era box to put them all in, and now THE FUCKERS ARE GOING TO MAKE ME BUY THEM ALL AGAIN?

Where will it all end, I ask you? Did that sign say "Hell"? And what are we doing in this handcart? etc.

"Never Enough" is fantastic, of course - my copy's especially cool, since Simon Gallup gave it to me (my mate Higgy's mum used to walk her dog with Simon's wife, FACT!). "Harold & Joe"...mmm...

Anyone going to the London show in December?

Oh, and I've just realised why Hot hot Heat are so named...d'oh.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

I can beat that - my mates, in the early '90s, had a huge party at a house on Dartmoor. They were playing all Cure songs, as it was that era. The neighbour came and asked them to turn it down. He was Lol Tolhurst...

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

Jim, that's the greatest story ever told.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

hey cure-heads, if I was going to download any one particular live rendition of "a forest", what should I get?

etc, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

Concert, the Wembley '86 version (or In Orange). Avoid the Prayer Tour versions; Robert had a habit of paying homage to "Love Will Tear Us Apart" during the full breakdown, it's cringeworthy.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

Oof. There is no one answer, there have been several stellar ones with notable differences. An early live one called "Into the Trees," the 'fuck Robert Palmer' version, a weird, slow strung out version from 1992 London that's almost twenty minutes long and has Robert dropping in various songtitles and references to the Wish album and another fifteen-minute-plus take from Germany a couple of years later are all great, but there are others.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't been able to listen to "A Forest" live since they started doing the half-time drum breakdown.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
is this available for presale anywhere yet? Im getting it for my sister as a late xmas gift..

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 4 December 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

urgh.. the awful bloodflowers face lurks beneath the track listing..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 4 December 2003 08:26 (twenty years ago) link

I cannot wait to see next month's UNCUT review of this.

the curefox, Thursday, 4 December 2003 13:47 (twenty years ago) link

what's wrong with his feet? are those legwarmers?

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 4 December 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
grrr... Amazon messed up my order and I'm gonna have to wait at least an extra week.. Has anyone picked it up yet? Impressions?

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

I picked it up, and then a bit later, put it down. Looks nice.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link

I'd say that the Glastonbury 86 version of A Forest (taken from a BBC Radio broadcast) is pretty damn fine, as is the whole broadcast, great versions of Push and Sinking too!

I am stoked at the prospect of 2 CD remastered versions coming out this year, there is a lot of unreleased stuff out there that is worth hearing. Also they should get some kind of Dick's Picks (Ned's Picks?) thing happening, especially some of those foreign radio broadcasts from 80-82 Werchter/Lille/Hertford etc: They had an a great sound back then.

check www.skippyscage.com/mzui if anyone wants to trade some early Cure.

mzui, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

Also
they should get some kind of Dick's Picks (Ned's Picks?) thing happening, especially some of those foreign radio broadcasts from 80-82
Werchter/Lille/Hertford etc: They had an a great sound back then.

I WOULD HAPPILY TRAWL THROUGH THE ARCHIVES OF THAT. Um, please.

My box set is on order at my Fave Local Record Store, and I will be picking it up this Friday.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

This is great news even though I have a good chuck of the “classic” catalog on (at least) VG quality vinyl – excepting “Carnage Visors”, which I can’t wait to hear full spectrum.

I read this whole post but maybe i missed this: anybody know if there’ll be duplication between the box and the future supplemental discs.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

nope. bonus discs unereleased disc should contain only unreleased material (I guess with a fair share of live material)

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, listening back to Carnage Visors for the first time in years, I thought it had a kind-of Tortiose-y/Brokeback P**t R**k feel.

mzui, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

Spit it out there, Mzui. You can say it, it's just hard to sometimes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

Got mine through the post yesterday. Looks lush, sounds lusher.

Mmmm.

Muppet Boy, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

well, at least no xylophone on Carnage Visors..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

Revive!!!
This is the thread where you come out of your self-imposed hibernation and marvel at hearing New Day in its remastered glory!!

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

the flexi pop 'lament' is worth the filler alone

kephm, Thursday, 5 February 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

Discs one and two contain more quality songs than most bands record in a lifetime, so if you don't already have this stuff (and what fan doesn't), it's still worth it, but all this set does is diminish the remarkable quality of their B-sides through Wish. The last two discs are absolute fucking gash after "This Twilight Garden" and "Play" (which are both better than 80% of Wish; "Play" is hugely improved, there's some trebly moaning in the background I'd never noticed before). The only decent non-album track they've done since is "Spilt Milk".

As usual, the "digital remastering" is just normalization, which is fine but it totally fucks up the low-end on "10.15 Saturday Night". "Splintered in Her Head" and "Lament" are the most improved, which is to be expected as they're the most digital early tracks ("Harold and Joe" likewise benefits from some bass kick and clarity on the high-end keys). I did find I actually liked "Stop Dead" and "A Man Inside My Mouth" listening to them now, I had sworn off them in high school and chastized Ned for liking the latter. "Speak My Language" and "Mr. Pink Eyes" still make me wince, though.

"A Japanese Dream" sounds as shitty and thin as it did from day one and I'm convinced they mastered all of the KMKMKM B-sides from a virgin vinyl copy, there's shitloads of clipping in the left track on most of them and they sound way too high in the 8KHz range. I have CD-R boots with the "New Mix" of "Icing Sugar" that sound better than the one on here. The 12" remix of "A Japanese Dream" is so many light years better it's ridiculous. Why even acknowledge this bullshit single-length take, it has no space, no bass, no pulse, nothing compared to the extended mix. The real treausres on this set are Clearmountain's dubious single-prep mix of "How Beautiful You Are" and "To The Sky" (apparently this settles that the superior "Resurrection" mix from the early 90s Unplugged boot Acoustic Daze is a pure bootleg mix?).

Disintegration remaster is going to sound amazing: "Babble", "Fear of Ghosts" and particularly "Out of Mind" are so much fuller - the track depth and clarity in comparison to the original mixes is unreal, it's like new songs. "2 Late" still sounds as dry and distant from the album as it did on the "Lovesong" single. Still most everyone's favorite b-side, a lot of folks' favorite Cure song. Too Smiths/REM for me.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Also, disagree re: flexipop "Lament" - the washed-out, border-mono mix that's been circulating on boots for all time is better than this revamp, which tries to force too much separation and ends up losing the gooey Glove mud.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

For me, the major revelation is listening to Splintered In Her Head, especially on headphones the construction of drum/precussion delays/pitch shifting and varispeeded voices are scary as hell.

Chris, I have a 2nd gen monitor mix of All Cats Are Grey sneaked onto quarter inch during a break in recording by a tape-op, it's not a million miles different from the original but enough as to be of interest (tom placement, sfx at start and end louder) I could dig it out if yr interested.

mzui, Thursday, 5 February 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

STILL DON'T HAVE IT ARGH

(They stopped by yesterday, them UPS people, but when I was out and they need a signature dammit. So TODAY since I signed the slip. Grr.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I'm WETTING myself to see what they dig up for that extra cd's worth of Goodies for 3IB/17 Seconds/Faith/Head On The Door/Pornography especially!
I have crappy Head On The Door demos, be nice to have them in pristeen stereo.

Those Elvis Costello re-issues should be a yardstick for bonus beats, Get Happy! Just amazing!

mzui, Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

I have a sneaking suspicion the second discs won't be "packed," but who cares - remastering the first wave of Elektra CDs is priority #1. The CD of Seventeen Seconds is a blasphemy.

What could we see beyond:

TIB: All the extraneous material from the 1st wave that wound up on BDC, maybe even "See the Children"? haha. I wouldn't be surprised if Smith relegates "Object" to disc 2...
17 Seconds: peel sessions, live tracks - the demos wouldn't be that good, I would think they'd go for live stuff, the 17 tour was their first big one, some of their best shows. Prospect Hill!
Faith: Carnage Visors, demos, unreleased tracks (back in the late 80s, a collector told me there were four or five songs from these sessions no one has ever heard - can you verify?), peel sessions
Pornography: peel/jensen sessions ("Ariel"), demos, AIHTDIKH.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

Sign of hyperCuregeek happiness = knowing what the last acronym is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

Hah yeah the Walk remix used to be my testing-new-audio-equipement favorite. Hmm, I'm gonna have to give the 'IBD' remix another spin but I rememeber hating that "synth burble" and the pitch shift used to make me sea-sick.

baaderonixx, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I just got this and I must say I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's interesting to see what slipped through the cracks for me, cause I would have thought myself pretty familiar with everything up through Disintegration. Like, I can't understand why I saw that Half An Octopus 10"/Quadpus 12" thing so many damn times in stores and yet it never occured to me to buy it. I guess I didn't understand there was a track on there I hadn't got elsewhere. Or maybe I didn't think it would be worth the money. I really don't know.

Also a grand surprise are the Catch b-sides (I swear to god I never even saw that 12" in stores, for real - I looked up the sleeve online and it rings zero bells for me) and the Just Like Heaven 12" b-sides. I don't recall ever owning that 12" either, but I'm not sure why.

That flexi version of Lament is um...nothing to get excited about, though...;)

Bimble, Saturday, 19 January 2008 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link

"To The Sky" leaves me weak at the knees. That might just be the best thing here.

Bimble, Saturday, 19 January 2008 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I am amazed that they managed to turn the Doors' "Hello, I Love You" into a fantastic goth song. It's cool that it's mostly instrumental, too.

Bimble, Saturday, 19 January 2008 02:39 (sixteen years ago) link

By that I mean the "unreleased psychedelic mix", not the other one. The other one is not goth.

Bimble, Saturday, 19 January 2008 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Wait - I resurrected a Cure thread on ILM and no one responded??

HA! What a laugh.

Bimble, Saturday, 26 January 2008 10:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Most of the Kiss Me b-sides are pretty great. I like them more than the album, in fact. When I bought it, it came with a bonus orange LP with all the b-sides and that's the one I always played.

f. hazel, Saturday, 26 January 2008 10:26 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Can anyone confirm if there is indeed an audible amount of clipping/distortion/etc. on the version of 'A Chain of Flowers' on disc 2?

I just bought a new set of speakers and it's driving me mad trying to figure out if its the speakers or the cd!!

Cheers!

AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 08:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, it clips... around 2:24, 3:08, other places too.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Cool, thanks.

The problems I'm having are with the guitar lines in the intro souding really shrill and distorted.

AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Clearmountain mix of How Beautiful You Are; amazing! wasn't there some story that Clearmountain was hired to remix the whole KMKMKM album by the Cure's manager? i know he did all the singles too.

piscesx, Wednesday, 6 January 2016 11:47 (eight years ago) link


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