best outkast album

thread is a challops free-for-all

speaking of, which album did Ed vote for?

xxp

thread is a challops free-for-all

-- Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:31 AM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

definite misuse of challops here. this thread is more opinions4u

u probably right

challenging

Aquemeni and Stankonia and Southernplayalistic and Speaker/Love are all great; even idlewild has moments. ATLiens just struck me as so completely different from all other rap I was hearing in the mid nineties: hard, naive, skillful, well written and smooth. I'll be listening to Two Dope Boyz, Wheelz of Steel, Elevators and Millennium for the rest of my life. Unspoken truth is that a lot of this just has to do with when the band intersected your world.

i knew too many white guys with dreads who wouldnt stfu about how all rap should sound like aquemini

-- and what, Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Ethan, I should probably already know how pointless it is to try to have a conversation with you, but not liking music just because you don't like the fans of the music = dud. Just as a for instance, I don't like you but I like a great deal of the music you like.

stfu forkslovetofuk im sayin why i got an bias against aquemini my real life does not concern your bullshit dharma & greg existence so go suck a fat dick and get off my nuts

I kind of agree with and what that the first one is the best but that's if you've settled on THAT outkast...it's gotta be between that and Stankonia for me. this is one of the hardest polls ever, I might just vote for Idlewild just to be a dick

and I also really enjoyed that last post

idlewild had a couple jams on it the train was underrated for grown folks mature south shit

first four album run is pretty amazing - I went with Stankonia but could easily have gone for Aquemini or ATLiens. never heard Idlewild, apart from the Morris Brown single.

Ethan: you're a sad, sad little man. Fuck off.

i think he prefers to spank it while fantasizing about black people saying "but not you, you're one of the good ones"

"I should probably already know how pointless it is to try to have a conversation with you"

QFT

lol only spanking it i see here is oops & forksclovetofu super jackoff sesh

btw oops i hope next time you pack up your whole life & move to cali luna actually gives her "her" address so you can suck a fat dick too

This thread is getting very Stankonia.

Aquemini

THE OUTKAST POLL

THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL

thread has improved dramatically since i last checked in. kiu guys.

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more opinions4u

aquemini
speakerboxxx
southernplayalisticadillacmuzik
atliens
stankonia
the love below

is how I'd rank 'em. people who mix live instruments w/ hip-hop usually end up degrading both approaches but aquemini acquits itself gracefully. I don't know in what world besides texas could "rosa parks" be considered more played out than "ms jackson", "the way you move", "hey ya", etc.

speakerboxx is A+++ if divested from its ugly ass conjoined twin. it's not gonna get the votes it deserves due to the albatross factor.

southernplayalistic is the hidden jewel of the discog.

I should give more time to atliens since I accidentally bought the curse-free edited version back in the day, but it struck me as monotonous and not in that good way. saw 'em around this time at a funk package tour in nashville and even back then they had all the whiteboys up in front when they came on.

stankonia has some great tracks but the high slop factor keeps it away from my stereo.

andre3000 would've saved me a lot of time if the love below was comprised of 20 tracks of "hey ya" on repeat.

people who mix live instruments w/ hip-hop usually end up degrading both approaches

this is some ilx/reynolds-related received wisdom that is totally outdated/rong @ this point

I'm not referring to Toy Story, you moron. I'm just saying you're both a sad and little man.

4real

ugk, dre, the roots, every early 80s cat

xp lol

Buzz: You are a sad, strange little man, and you have my pity. Farewell.
[starts to walk away]
Woody: Oh, yeah? Well, good riddance, ya loony!

ethan's zing back was nice but i would have preferred this response

hey I lived it I learned it but I will admit I am one of the old kids just tryin to keep up

however dre/roots not selling me on concept

xp

dj quik since 'rhythmalism' has used instruments
timbaland uses them for shits sake
plenty of classic beatz are replayed samples

i like aquemini the best.

speakerboxx might be my next favorite if you rescued it from lovesexy pt.II

then atliens probably

(and there are no rules in music wrt to instrumentation or not or samples or not)

tons of classic rap-a-lot stuff is mike dean on organ/guitar/bass

google results #1 for ll cool j unplugged

http://jasper.webvomit.com/images/random/60.jpg

pretty much all the sugar hill shit was doug wimbush and those dudes right?

live instrumentation in rap? that's unheard of and impossible...also wtf

southernplayalistic!
i think only because i got busted trying to rack the cassette when it came out(casually mentioning...). but it is the one album that still gets the most play by me.

cassettes were so much easier...mp3s are not as fun to gank

i always felt like sir mix-a-lot should get more credit for keeping live instrumentation/keyboard 80s electro type production alive during the time between the early 80s and dudes like pharell and timbaland

mike dean looks like one of the the guys who hang out outside of berklee and at guitar center on comm ave

(and there are no rules in music wrt to instrumentation or not or samples or not)

there is one rule: is it any good?

I can't read dj quik's name without tim dog's voice adding "can suck my dick" in my head.

first name: dj quik
last name: can suck my dick

however this is no impugnment of dj quik's talented instrumentalism, I'm just sayin'

ugk had dude from the meters playing guitar on ridin dirty

the coup does it
main source shouldn't have

i mean this really isn't even an argument

it really isn't, there's some willful misreading going on.

yeh, actual instruments are more predominant in rap now and it's done great things for improving the quality of live shows, but I also know if I put together a list of my favorite rap tracks there wouldn't be many purely rooted in live instrumentation so y'all better quantify. and there's a difference between coloring a track with instruments (e.g. j-live's "satisfied") and rooting yr whole enterprise in 'em.

show me the way and the light I want to learn

also apologies for derailing a promising ethan/forks fite

i think outkast/organized noize falls into the "coloring with live instruments" camp rather than the "hey look we're playing hip-hop but with REAL INSTRUMENTS" a la the Roots or a bunch of other live hip-hop bands that i'd rather not mention.

^ okay I'll buy this but aquemini seemed like a point where they really pushed the live stuff to the front. maybe it was just the shock of following on from atliens, which is, if I remember right, a pretty stripped down rhymes + beats + loops affair. I need to go back and listen to aquemini again, it's been a while.

ozomatli 4 lyfe

there's an inherent cold + subterranean quality to a beat n loop track that few have been able to capture with instruments. actually the best example I can think of is schoolly d's welcome to america. but that band was pretty dire live.

TLB is pretty uneven although the new generation raised on kid cudi has decided it is a CLASSIC ALBUM

pretty much hate it completely

put "Happy Valentine's Day" and "She Lives In My Lap" on Speakerboxxx and that's all i need from the whole project

xp is that true about the "new generation?" Is there really a cult around TLB? Legitimately curious here.

i kinda dig "spread."

"Happy Valentine's Day" is actually one of the weaker ones in the first half imo, a little clunky. still like it tho.

"Behold a Lady," "Pink & Blue" and especially "Vibrate" are the most offensively bad songs on there I think

I got into the album a little after the fact so I didn't really experience the "this is GENIUS" initial response & the backlash

I fux with about half of TLB

OK well yeah I'm conflating a lot, I/my irl friends were excited cos we loved Outkast and Hey Ya, it was disappointing but w hindsight p good, overall. Also ILM ws p staunchly against it, which made an impression on me

I don't think TLB's love was later revisionism, at least not in my quarters, cos everybody I knew was jizzing over it. Probably had more to do with the fact that the "rapper turnt sanger" concept was more novel, and folks viewed the sprawling, meandering nature of most of his songs to be "progressive" when they were really just "boring".

I do have to admit my initial reaction to it was not entirely fair. I was fine with him expanding his repertoire, but an album containing zero rap from a dude who was 1/2 of my favorite rap duo immediately turned me off. First listen, I liked "Hey Ya" and one or two more tracks, but once I got to the abysmal "Roses", I gave up and moved to Speakerboxx.

A few years later, I was ambushed by one of the funkier numbers from the album that I liked, so I revisited it and found that I actually liked more of the album than I remembered. However, still far too little to consider it a classic.

There were a few "rapper evolves into actual singer/writer" thoughts around, I think (not coming frm me). It ended up being a cool initially foray into modern soul funk stuff, would've been cool to hear more (was there any?)

I liked the idea of him doing an album of this type stuff, but the execution was off. Did not like it from the beginning, sold the CD within a few days. Doesn't change the fact they are my favorite group of all time tho.