The purpose built next generation interstellar Dawn Richard thread

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the thing about iTunes is they update their sales ranks constantly (hourly?) so if you get a cult rushing the gates when something first drops, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll sell enough throughout the week to do major damage on the Billboard charts. although it would be pretty cool if she does crazy numbers for an independent R&B release.

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

idk after the last year encouraging critics to get stoked about an R&B record feels like a downhill battle, like, not that miguel & frank arent good but after that jeremih nonsense im kind of like, critics will buy anything

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

notice im using the word 'battle' in keeping w/ the record's theme

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm a little mystified by how people who slept on Jeremih's albums bumrushed the mixtape, but i mean it was good music

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

mmm we already discussed the kind of r&b record critics refuse to get excited about though didn't we

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

sure well enjoy your cheerleading i feel like this record wont withstand the long term SUPERENTHUSIASTIC CLASSIC scrutiny but more power to you b/c it is a good record. dont feel like its turning my head upside down or anything

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

nobody even used the c-word you c-word

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

i would never, ever use the word "classic" about an album in its week of release lol

save that for the kendrick stans

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

is there a mordy thread you can do this on

goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

imo only lex will have heard this enough by now to validly declare whether it's samey or not, let alone start jumping off into how it relates to its barely embryonic place in the critical landscape

in other words put a sock in it lunatic

r|t|c, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

@somanyshrimp
reasonably confident that finally rich will ultimately be considered a classic tbh

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

4:16 PM - 15 Dec 12 ·

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

yes lex is definitely going to be the voice of reason here

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

@somanyshrimp
reasonably confident that finally rich will ultimately be considered a classic tbh

― some dude, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:03 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw this was about how i think others are going to perceive it at a future date & wasnt my own take on the record

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

the thing about iTunes is they update their sales ranks constantly (hourly?) so if you get a cult rushing the gates when something first drops, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll sell enough throughout the week to do major damage on the Billboard charts. although it would be pretty cool if she does crazy numbers for an independent R&B release.

― some dude, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:51 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw, Armor On placed at #145 on the BB200. I think this will do better than that just on account of her having solidified her fanbase but not exactly knocking down the top ten.

also, lol at "LARP&B"

The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i would never, ever use the word "classic" about an album in its week of release lol

save that for the kendrick stans

― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:00 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no but you said "MASTERPIECE" same thing

bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

on a more substantive note, it's "the proof was in the flood"??

goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

the flood of pudding, obv

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess that makes sense next to "hurricane"

goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, I'd always heard that as "in the blood" and still do

The Reverend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

"classic" has connotations of standing the test of time, "masterpiece" is a more subjective thing

xp "the proof is in my blood"

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

the beginning of the video says "chapter one: the proof was in the flood" though

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh weird so do those official lyrics - the lyric docs the PR sent me say "in the blood"

WHO KNOWS

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

her lip-syncing looks like "flood" to me. kind of.

goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

abiguity!! 10/10 classic!!

goole, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha

DJP, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

you mean Masterpiece

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

I always thought she was talking about katrina and the resulting flooding.

prolego, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah that makes sense, with the line about hurricanes coming before it. duhhh @ me

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I’ve been searching
Trying to find my way back
My way back to the throne
And I know If I could
climb, crawl, fall
Break these walls
Then maybe I’ll get home
I’m building it up
To break it back down
We’re building it up
To burn it down
We can’t wait
To burn it to the ground

Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

Listening again and the Riot - Gleaux - Pretty Wicked Things section is a real drag, which is weird given they're the bangers, but they've got the sort of dead-eyed detachment you expect from lesser artists/complete hacks.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 17:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

From 86 to the end is unfuckable with though.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

86 heart heart heart

probably the song I'll direct Dawn newcomers to from now on

Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

just the song, not the video

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha yeah

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

The intro to "Gleaux" is gorgeous.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

hahah, there are so many landmines to tip toe when trying to sell Dawn. "no, no, I swear, it doesn't sound like Danity Kane." "Yeah, but that Dirty Money was actually really good though, for real." "Just ignore the Xena warrior princess shit."

She doesn't make it easy.

Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

why would anyone think there's anything wrong with danity kane, dirty money or xena warrior princess?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

you already KNOW that most of the people listening to her solo records never checked for Danity Kane, what's with the act

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean i get they're not the ~trendy~ buzzwords du jour and if she was all 80s reverb triangles self-pitying melancholy seapunk chillwave hanging out with grizzly bear you could sell her way easier but why would you want that?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

did danity kane even have a big enough profile to put anyone off?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

on a more substantive note, it's "the proof was in the flood"??

― goole, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:11 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the f is actually an old-timey s, she's singing the proof was in the slood, like you know how a slood is... wait

乒乓, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Danity Kane weren't unavoidably huge but i mean two #1 albums ain't bad as public profiles go

some dude, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think Danity Kane was very good. But the bigger problem with that reference point is that Danity Kane was the quintessential manufactured band—literally pieced together on television. Dawn's solo albums, though, are defined by her autonomy.

I'm not assigning values to either approach or saying one is better than the other, but it makes the Danity Kane reference point doubly misleading

Evan R, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ahem anyway going back to talking about the album - I think the fact that exactly the same vocal treatment is used on every single track goes some way towards explaining accusations of samey-ness. I'm not really that keen on the autotune that's all over this, she's evidently got a great voice and it just flattens everything out, especially the high notes and melisma when she should be sounding her most expressive. It gets kind of frustrating after an hour. I mean she used the same trick over most of Armor On so maybe I wouldn't care if the songs were better but I can't help but feel a lack of joie de vivre here.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://youtu.be/JqQ-vL2AinQ

Evan R, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK, I'll bite the bullet and admit I don't know how to embed YouTube videos on this site anymore. What am I doing wrong?

Evan R, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Don't do the short version of the address. Do the full version.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2013 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

the URL (without spaces) should look like:

http:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=[videoID]

URLs that start with that pattern will autoembed. Don't use the shortened share URL and don't use secured (https) URLs

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Friday, 18 January 2013 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink


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