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Better get lovemaking now, just to be sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 May 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll check when I get home fellas, until then just hold it in!

mzui (mzui), Friday, 6 May 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

According to the modern internet LGTB was first played in 84 whilst touring in the US.

Trap - Paris Bercy '96

Treasure - Paris Bercy '96

Home - Never Played Live

Ocean - Ditto

Spilt Milk - Ditto

The Loudest Sound - Mansfield '00/Hamburg '00

39 - Mansfield '00/Hamburg '00

The Last Day Of Summer - Mansfield '00/Hamburg '00

Lost - Everett '04

The Promise - Not Sure

Going Nowhere - Not Sure

Never - Not Sure

Before Three - Not Sure

Anniversary - Not Sure

Will check the above.

mzui (mzui), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Just an update for Curiosity Redux.

An exciting turn of events, a kindly ILX-r is sending me a pre-fm cd copy of one of the early gigs that I'm taking Forever and the early Charlotte Sometimes from (and maybe now another track)

This is very cool and will bring the average quality of the first CD up by another notch.

I'm not sure how many of these to actually produce, I initially thought 5, so-far peeps what have expressed an interest are Ned, Dan, Kit & Baader.

I am willing to do around 10 and really won't have the time to do many more, so please yell if you are interested.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yell! Can I join in?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed.

5 - Dr C.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yell!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

6 - Onimo

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm going to draw the line at 8 until the 'muricans wake up.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Yell! Yell! Yell1 Yell!

Oh please.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and this is my new email

flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 10:13 (nineteen years ago) link

7 - Flowersdie

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Yell! Or actually more like the falling-shout at the beginning of "Other Voices."

Petroski (petroski), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

mzui: Which of the suggested tracks are you currently looking for? I think I have copies of the ones I mentioned (aside from the Wish list post).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

oh god yes I want one of these!

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd love one as well, these reissues have reawakened my cure fanaticism.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like one, too!

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd like one too. perhaps someone who gets a copy can make a copies.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, as I originally came on here to say...

I can only buy these three latest reissues one at a time. I'm buying one of the editions this Friday and I'd like to know which I should acquire first. I do plan to buy them all, though.

Right now I don't own Seventeen Seconds at all. Faith is my favourite LP of theirs and I've got "Carnage Visors" on a CD-R but I'd love to hear "Going Home Time" (since it apparently sounds like Associates) and the live version of "Faith" from the Charlotte Sometimes single. The bonus tracks on Pornography seem the most intriguing to me and I like the LP just slightly less than Faith. So, what do you all recommend I do?

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Only got the pornography reissue so far, but the bonus disc is the beez kneez.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, as interesting as some of the extras may be, my guess is that you won't listen to them that much, so I'd recommend you start with the album you'd like to get first (Faith maybe in your case). The remastering really does make a HUGE difference in sound.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Baader OTM, only I have to say that the version of "In Your House" on the Seventeen Seconds bonus disc (which originally appeared on Curiosity) is one of my favorite pieces of recorded music ever, so you really can't prejudge the bonus material.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes to the previous above posts. Yeah, go for Faith first and be amazed, then the other two as quickly as you can. Of all the 'knock me flat out' remasterings, though, Pornography is *the* one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

(Ned is completely OTM with that last post, BTW. The Pornography remaster is staggering.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

as interesting as some of the extras may be, my guess is that you won't listen to them that much
I don't know...I've been listening to the 3IB extras more than the LP proper, actually. "Winter" in particular is stunning.

The fact that the Pornography remaster sounds that good makes me want to get it first, but I have until Friday to decide.

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

It might just change your perception of both the songs and the album as a whole. Like I said above, "One Hundred Years" has never sounded so gripping and vicious.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay guys, I will make up sets for Ned, Dan, Baader, Kit, Dr C, Onimo, Flowersdie, Petroski, Teeny, Hazel, Eastern Mantra & Kyle.

Anyone else who wants one can maybe contact the others for the moment, I guess thats fair?

Dan, as far as I can make out Home, Ocean & Spilt Milk were never played live.

I've found good versions of Lost, The Promise and Before Three.

I can't find Going Nowhere, Never or Anniversary, do you have good quality non-mp3 sourced versions?

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

you are a saint. I wish I had something lovely and rare to contribute.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

fair's fair... when i get mine i'll make a couple copies for people who would like one.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

You are a hero, mzui!!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Praised be mzui's name!
Only fair to ensure your work's posterity by distributing copies to the next generation.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Yr too kind :)

I need photoshop help I think, well more than help actually, I was going to adapt the Concert/Curiosity artwork but I don't think I've got the skills (or a scanner for that matter), anyone here wishing to tackle the job? I'll print it all.

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't find Going Nowhere, Never or Anniversary, do you have good quality non-mp3 sourced versions?

I don't, but I can do some digging to see if I can find anything.

I do have "Why Can't I Be You???/The Lovecats" from a June 9, 1989 show in Torino on CD if you're interested.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 10:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I add to the mzui love and will burn further as well. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i definitely want to check out a copy of this once all is said and done, you guys have got me all excited to hear this stuff.

jonviachicago, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My copy of Pornography, ordered from Amazon.com, was missing its booklet. I'll return to Amazon, but I'd like to know if anyone else's booklet was missing.

paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd love to get a copy of this special mzui treat, from any source. Just let me know what I need to do.

I got the Faith re-issue yesterday, and it is marvelous, but I had a few questions about the sound quality. Does anyone else notice a touch of distortion in the original album version of "Doubt"? Just where it gets the loudest, there is a bit of fuzz. Try around 1:32 to 1:40 into it. Is this normal? Was it always like this? (almost a "Siamese Twins" quote there, sorry) I just wanna make sure I don't have a damaged disc. Is this something revealed in the remastering or something always there?

Also, I realize the demos and live tracks are going to be of fairlyrough quality, but does everyone else have a period click that runs consistently through both the demo versions of "Faith" and "Doubt"? And a noticeable hiss throughout the live version of "Faith"?

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

That's be "periodic click".

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan (upthread) dig away, although we most likely have enough from that period.

I must admit I hadn't thought about Why Can't I Be You, is there much love for this song in general? I've got some versions of it for sure.

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I only suggested it because of the segue; actually my recording might really suck, I haven't listened to it in years.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I would be happy to help with Photoshoppery -- drop me a line if you want to talk about what you had in mind for the design.

Petroski (petroski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Have a listen Dan and let me know, a segue of those tracks sound cool.

Petroski, I shall do that! Thanks!

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Why Can't I Be You?" is a very underrated single. xxxpost

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to like it but now I realize it is one of their weaker singles. Also that track never worked live (which they must feel too given how rarely they play it)

Baaderonixx (it must be a camel) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Any of the primary recipients of Mzui's magic compilation who'd like to burn and post me a set, I would be grateful. I'll front or reimburse shipping, natch. Gracias.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

FRICKIN' PITCHFORK!!!!! Where are the 10s???????

The Ghost of (heh) (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

That evil Nabisco, not to recognize perfection! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I originally put Faith a little higher, but then I wanted to leave myself room for (a) future reissues and (b) my first six albums, which will all be superb, though varying just enough in quality to fill up the whole 9.4-10.0 range. The first of those is contingent on my decision, listening through the first four reissues, that I'm actually more impressed by the whole fantasy-world teenage-beloved pop band that Cure became later. The early records have more of the serious-music style that impresses people now, more of the rawness and quirk and chic struggling-to-create vibe. But those later ones accomplished stuff that I honestly can't think of any other band competing with.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually more impressed by the whole fantasy-world teenage-beloved pop band that Cure became later

That's more than fair. When they hit the playground things REALLY tripped out. (Thus, again, The Top -- "The World is Yours" a la Scarface, where the leetle friend is the flanger.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I ended up coming to indecisiveness at Vinyl Fever upon seeing the three reissues, went eeny-meenie-minie-moe, came out with Faith, and I couldn't be more pleased, even though I was more in the mood for something fun considering that the past 18 hours had been wonderful and I felt relaxed for the first time in about a year (like Robert Smith laughing a mirror, yeah!). (Oh, Ned, I also bought the new Mira maxi -- Vinyl Fever finally stocked it and had three copies of it. Regina walked past me three times and kept looking at me in a bemused way when I first came in the store, too, and that's before I even got around to the local section. Speaking of which, Regina's apparently in yet another band now -- busy woman she is -- that includes a mate of my friend Suzee, and I heard some demos and they're brilliant, too, very reminiscent of poppier moments like "Play for Today" from early Cure, but I can't remember this band's name to my chagrin.)

The bonus disc is fucking great, though...love the sound quality of the live tracks (I've never heard "Forever" before in any version and I thought it was great, so those later versions must be the best thing ever) and every demo was massively interesting -- the whole disc is full of revelatory moments. "Going Home Time" does sound like a premature version of something from Sulk, and the live version of "All Cats Are Grey" sounds like something that should've been on Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom. Shame that "Charlotte Sometimes" sounds even more muffled than on Standing On a Beach, though.

I got the Faith re-issue yesterday, and it is marvelous, but I had a few questions about the sound quality. Does anyone else notice a touch of distortion in the original album version of "Doubt"? Just where it gets the loudest, there is a bit of fuzz. Try around 1:32 to 1:40 into it. Is this normal? Was it always like this? (almost a "Siamese Twins" quote there, sorry) I just wanna make sure I don't have a damaged disc. Is this something revealed in the remastering or something always there?
Yeah, it's the mastering. It buzzed throughout the loudest portion of that song and I heard a bit of fuzz on "The Drowning Man", too. It sounded like it was mastered through an earlier edition of the Audacity programme, and considering that most of the master tapes from that time were erased from having sat by a washing machine or some other appliance, they might have mastered it from some other source and so it's not all that surprising. Eh well. At least "Faith" the song doesn't skip like it does on my old edition of the album. It's startling how full and meaty some of the songs sound, though -- the original pressings sound really thin and I thought it was Hedges' production (Siouxsie's early albums were done by him, too, and so I thought the thin sound was part of his aesthetic or a result of being under-produced) but I guess it was that crap pre-1992 mastering after all, deceiving fuckers.

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 14 May 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link


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