should there be more tipping or less tipping

eh people should probably pay their taxes

what if we were like: "you can get paid the full value of your work but we will fire you and have an ipad robot do your job instead" OR "you can get paid shit and be grateful you have a job in 8% unemployment, serf," which do you think ppl would take?

http://i.imgur.com/ghKbViy.jpg

well it depends if they are a robot

The assumption that increasing to a living wage somehow stops tips dead has not rly been borne out in the first world, folks

I have an idea, we can write a law to make tipping progressive like taxes, when you go to a restaurant your tax bracket will be encoded into your credit card and your tip will be based on your tax rate

people who generally need tips probably shouldn't pay taxes on it.

I figure a waiter at per se will probably start clearing 6 figures then, even the busboys, but somebody who works at Golden Dragon's Empire Buffet will probably fail to clear $10k =(

if minimum wage became mandatory restaurants would just charge more for food like they do everywhere else in the world iirc

To pay the wages of their staff? Jesus, the very fukn thought huh

Do you tip carpet cleaners?

minimum wage is mandatory in CA I think. Still tipping going on. I think the only real way tipping can go away is if enough people agree to tip a constant amount regardless of service, and it became enough of a social expectation that it would be equivalent to a mandatory service charge.

Having worked as a server in a high end restaurant for the last couple of years, I feel obliged to contribute to this topic. Servers definitely make out better under a tipping system than they would if you replaced tips with some kind of skill commensurate hourly wage. However, the truth is, if you actually replaced the tipping system with a skill commensurate hourly wage, almost nobody would bother to be a server. Cause for that kind of money, you could just do something easy and relatively stress free like retail or back of the house or like "tip jar" kind of jobs. I've worked all of these kinds of jobs, and being a server is definitely the hardest, but it's also the only one in which you can make pretty good money, thanks to the tipping system. And this is even allowing for the free-rider problem of bad tippers.

Thanks peacock.

Can you maybe postulate why eg uk restaurants manage to find servers?

there aren't actually any restaurants in the UK, just bars and waitroses and tescos

off licenses iirc

The assumption that increasing to a living wage somehow stops tips dead has not rly been borne out in the first world, folks

^ ^ ^

lol America

sp to darraghmac

Something is obviously very different outside the United States and I don't know exactly what it is. So no I can't postulate, but I know there must be an explanation.

I do know that I don't know any servers that would do this job for less than $20/hr, and I can't imagine the tipping system being replaced with that kind of wage in America.

however people define 'living wage' it's prob not California's 7.50 / h so really any other min wage in America

I know lots of people who would do any non-sex industry job for 20/h

Fair enough i dunno how that works out relative to ave income or w/e over there, but ppl queue for those jobs here atm on an hourly income (less tips!) that, at a guess, doesnt clear half the avg industrial wage

and any sex industry job for free amirite???

everyone should tip me for my great posts on ILX about tipping

I give 10% of my earnings to god etc

a lot of places pool tips (and I'm assuming that increases the likelihood the full amount will be reported) but I'm a big fan of pay by CC/tip in cash just in case.

also something to consider is that if you didn't have a tipping system, it could become easier for the waitstaff; instead of only assigning one waiter per table, you could have like a free-floating system where any table can flag down any waiter for service, you could have waitstaff whose only job it was is to bring food to a table and to clear tables, etc.

iow the role of the busboy could be greatly expanded

*just revealed to ILX that I've never waited a table in my life*

but i only want to be served by brad with the cute eyes

Wait

If i want something in a restaurant in the US icve to wait for a partic server?

Are you serious

sorta just drawing on my experience in having eaten at restaurants where there was no tipping. the food came out just as quickly! and it was great food! and I was able to order extra drinks and appetizers with little hassle! and I didn't leave a tip! I didn't leave a tip!

it creeps me out that five guys has a tip jar but in-n-out doesn't. I'm not sure who is right.

I've never worked in a place that pooled tips, but it seems pretty ideal as long as you trust your co-workers. I can only imagine it would reduce a lot of the anxiety that comes with the job.

I do know that I don't know any servers that would do this job for less than $20/hr, and I can't imagine the tipping system being replaced with that kind of wage in America.

I don't know how it would shake out if we went to a salary system. It would hurt the good waiters at 'nice' places the most - a flyover state place that's now $50 for 2 people on average probably isn't going to raise prices enough to pay waiters $20/hour. Applebee's/et al. probably couldn't find waitstaff at or near minimum wage who could run the restaurant effectively and couldn't raise prices because who the fuck is going to Applebee's when they're now $50/couple?

fuck applebees. they can go to chez panisse (18% mandatory service charge -- suck it!)

also something to consider is that if you didn't have a tipping system, it could become easier for the waitstaff; instead of only assigning one waiter per table, you could have like a free-floating system where any table can flag down any waiter for service, you could have waitstaff whose only job it was is to bring food to a table and to clear tables, etc.

If i want something in a restaurant in the US icve to wait for a partic server?

Are you serious

― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:31 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

not only that but the server actually pretends to care about your life and your personal well-being, before trying to upsell you on the 2-for-1 watermelon daiquiri margaritas and wouldn't you also like to try the deep fried cajun breadfood?

well customers never like anything xp

I dont know that you'd see an argument for any existing industry to move to a tipping system so that costs could be lowered to an artificial level.

Why argue for the retention of such a system where it exists?

when they get rid of tipping there will be no extra value associated with being an 'experienced waiter,' that will be a fact of life that everybody will have to accept for the good of society, people will move on

if you get takeout and the restaurant has a person taking all calls and preparing all takeouts, do you tip? less interested in the 'should there be tipping?' debate b/c that won't change. am more interested in knowing what exactly I am supposed to tip for since every place includes a tip line in the receipt you sign if paying with card.

TGI fridays tried out a pretty clumsy sounding system tbph

I would tip the cashier at taco bell if there was a 'tip: ______' line on the receipt

I tip the person i take the food from if i collect a takeout, yeah

if you get takeout and the restaurant has a person taking all calls and preparing all takeouts, do you tip? less interested in the 'should there be tipping?' debate b/c that won't change. am more interested in knowing what exactly I am supposed to tip for since every place includes a tip line in the receipt you sign if paying with card.

― that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

basically any time any body does you a service ever you should tip 40%

tip your library circulation desk worker!

Tip your traffic cop 20%

should I tip my dental hygienist?

man this thread moves so fast.

But I imagine even at a flyover Applesbees where you're looking at $50 checks and 10% tips as standard. In a four to six table section, they're probably still clearing better than $15/hr. With cost of living taken into account, that's probably pretty good. It's probably better money than working at the flyover Walmart.

perhaps i misunderstood the meaning of "bitcoins" on mefi it's "favorites" and is basically nothing more than warm fuzzies, sorry for the confusion. still nothing like getting positive feedback! it's not entirely unlike tipping

Bitcoins are an "actual" "currency"

You can use em to buy drugs on the internet

i would be the BEST POSTER EVER if it would allow me to buy drugs on the internet.

"in asia, tipping doesn't happen. and, in most places, service kinda sucks pretty bad."
I haven't eaten in enough of asia or america to say conclusively, but I suspect that controlled for most factors, you're going to get better service in asia, and america really can't hold a claim over providing better welfare for its workers at least over asian countries with nationalized public health services. I'd agree that mefi is generally a better environment than reddit, but reddit also has "tipping", as does yahoo answers and they are generally pretty awful. I'd suspect mefi might even have been worsened by the introduction of this fake tipping if there was a pre and post-tipping era.

On the other hand, I do feel people on social networks ought to receive a cut of whatever ad money facebook et. al are making off them, but that's more of a "reparations" thing than "incentiviziivizing"

Gonna start a thread for the mods to tell us what % of posts we're getting fp'd for, reverse tipping score

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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no ilx consensus for blah blah shockah

Experiments:

That’s one reason we pay attention when a restaurant tries another way, as Sushi Yasuda in Manhattan started to do two months ago. Raising most of its prices, it appended this note to credit card slips: “Following the custom in Japan, Sushi Yasuda’s service staff are fully compensated by their salary. Therefore gratuities are not accepted.”

Sushi Yasuda joins other restaurants that have done away with tips, replacing them with either a surcharge (Atera and Chef’s Table at Brooklyn Fare in New York; Next and Alinea in Chicago; Coi and Chez Panisse in the San Francisco Bay Area) or prices that include the cost of service (Per Se in New York and the French Laundry in Yountville, Calif.).

The chef Tom Colicchio is considering service-included pricing at one of his New York restaurants, paying servers “an hourly rate that would be consistent with what they make now,” he said. “I think it makes perfect sense. I’m not sure my staff is going to think it makes perfect sense.”

These restaurants are numerous enough and important enough to suggest that a tip-reform movement is under way. On the other hand, they are few enough and exceptional enough to suggest that the movement may remain very small, and move very slowly.

Public NYC Taxicab Database Lets You See Which Celebrities Tipped

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/11/10/joes-crab-shack-becomes-first-restaurant-chain-to-implement-no-tipping-policy/

I know you'll be shocked that the Fox News comments are universally godawful

https://www.grubstreet.com/2020/07/tip-50-percent.html

Tip at least 50 percent. Tip 75 percent. Tip 100 percent. What’s stopping you? Do you need to save that money for the vacation to Saint-Tropez you’re planning on taking once this is all over? If you can afford to go to a restaurant right now and have a leisurely meal — because you don’t need to save as much money as you can? — then, yeah, you can afford it.

Tip 200 percent. Tip 300 percent! Give the delivery guy your car and the deed to your house. If you can order food, you are the CEO of a Fortune 500 country, save those stories about how you ordered out because your back hurt too much to cook because you're taking care of your disabled spouse and your kids, clearly there's a jar full of stacks atop your fridge!

Once there was a miller who was poor, but who had a beautiful
daughter. Now it happened that he had to go and speak to the
king, and in order to make himself appear important he said
to him, I have a daughter who can spin straw into gold. The
king said to the miller, that is an art which
pleases me well, if your daughter is as clever as you say, bring
her to-morrow to my palace, and I will put her to the test.

Haha Neanderthal

Tipping is usually 15% in Quebec, which apparently makes us cheapskates. Vermonters and Upstate New Yorkers who work in the service industry reportedly cringe when they see 'Je me souviens' licence plates.

If it's any consolation, I lived in Buffalo for three years and waitresses resented Ontarians just as much.

Socialist neighbours are such a drag.

also servers in canada still make less than provincial minimum wage, which is why you still tip

Btw, this is false in seven provinces and only true for liquor servers in Ontario and BC (who are just under minimum wage $12.20 vs $14/$13.95 vs $14.60). I don't even really know why we tip as much as we do.

https://www.payworks.ca/payroll-legislation/MinimumWage.asp

I don’t know what tipping means

Something to do with sleeping cows iirc

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/trump-administration-tippers-fine-dining-dc.html