i'd say it's more neuropsychology than aesthetics, but maybe hobbit budget can't pay for university profs to consult.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:30 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yah fundamentally the problem is no one really knows what reality is really like not even college professors
btw i kinda liked this way more fun than those humorless lotr
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
I really wanted to see this but we were too broke to afford it (lol NYC ticket prices) until 5 days ago. I immediately checked showtimes and hey ho it is gone from here. It was still playing a couple of weeks ago...
― multi instru mentat list (Jon Lewis), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
It's out on video next week.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 11 March 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
Yall that pay to see this type of shit yall are the problem yall know that right
― darrrrggghhh daylight savings (darraghmac), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
Watched a little bit of the 24 fps 3d version yesterday and it looked pretty nice
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
it had a cliff hanger AND a tree hanger
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
and the tree was hanging off the cliff
i wont spoil it for you but they all die
Pls let that cover crew also
― darrrrggghhh daylight savings (darraghmac), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
everyone in the world died
― lag∞n, Monday, 11 March 2013 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
Peter Jackson death, yeah i guess id pay double to see that a whatever frames per second makes up for a complete lack of deftness "these days"
― darrrrggghhh daylight savings (darraghmac), Monday, 11 March 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago) link
saw this on dvd on Monday. why doesn't Gollum recognise that Bilbo is a hobbit? is he so drunk on the ring that he forgets what a hobbit looks like?
― Chris, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
I think the gollum 'origin story' includes him mostly forgetting who he was previous to the ring, to some extent. at least until frodo reminds him in two towers. iirc.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
ah ok. yeh frodo calls him smeagol and he acts surprised doesn't he.
― Chris, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
Also I think Gandalf describes him as once being 'a creature like a Hobbit' rather than an actual Hobbit.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
he was like a pre-hobbit
― Moodles, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
Proto Baggins
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
So Smeagol wasn't the same type of hobbit as Frodo, Bilbo, Sam, Merry, Pippin?
― Chris, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
Gollum is crazy, we know that, but does he realize that he was once a hobbit who changed? Does he remember any of his former self especially when he meets Bilbo?
improve this questionasked Dec 17 '12 at 22:42
aditya menon836●2●183 False premise: As I understand it, he wasn't actually ever a hobbit, just a hobbit-like creature. – Martha Dec 17 '12 at 23:062 @Martha He was a hobbit, at least ages ago, prior to his getting the Ring: scifi.stackexchange.com/a/24069/1027 – Keen♦ Dec 17 '12 at 23:183 @Martha he was a kind of hobbit, one of the three races I guess you'd call them, but not the one that Frodo and Bilbo are from. – Pureferret♦ Dec 17 '12 at 23:411 Smeagol was a hobbit. The corruption of the ring turned him into the twisted creature now he is and provoked the emergence of Gollum, his second evilish personality. I'm not sure now, but I think there's a passage on the books where he has a briefly remembrance of his past life, however is Gandalf the first to inform Bilbo that Gollum belongs to it's own race. – Bardo Dec 18 '12 at 7:252 @Martha Sméagol, which was Gollum's true name, was a Stoor Hobbit. Stoors were a kind of Hobbit, which means he was one. – Andres F. Dec 18 '12 at 16:44
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, Gollum was a stoor who were a sort of amphibious proto-Hobbit. Also he was hundreds of years old and insane
― Number None, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
he has really bad teeth and eats live fish
― Moodles, Friday, 12 April 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
I think Gandalf says in Fellowship that the likely reason why Gollum didn't murder Bilbo immediately is that he did feel some obscure recognition on seeing him. The two were able to relate relatively easily, even knowing some of the same traditional riddles.
― lazulum, Friday, 12 April 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
don't forget that that's all a retcon tho. When Tolkein first wrote Hobbit, Gollum was just a weird creature and the ring just turned you invisible
― HIGH-FIVES TO ALL MY COWORKERS AT THE QBERT SEX SWING (silby), Friday, 12 April 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
it's interesting that when martin freeman finds the ring he doesn't speak the same line that ian holm does in fellowship ('what's this? a ring'). i thought they might try to film it in exactly the same way. i thought it was interesting anyway.
― Chris, Friday, 12 April 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago) link
tolkien rewrote almost the entire gollum chapter in the hobbit before publishing LOTR -- iirc in the original version gollum isn't really that attached to the ring and actually helps bilbo find the way out!
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 12 April 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
funny actually as I read the book again recently, that the ring didn't even turn you fully invisible. In bright sunlight people could see your shadow.
― These are my every day balloons (Ste), Friday, 12 April 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe this shit is going to continue for two more movies
― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 12 April 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
If you're lucky. Waiting for Disney to acquire the rights and announce to the world that they're gonna do The Silmarillion in 6 films with concurrent spin-offs based around Tom Bombadil, Fatty Bolger and the sons of Elrond tbh*
*I would pay to see most of this
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 12 April 2013 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
The Hobbiting World of Bilbo Baggins
― infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Friday, 12 April 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
Don't you want to learn more about the complex and fascinating Pale Orc?
― lazulum, Friday, 12 April 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
Tolkien's best-loved character.
― lazulum, Friday, 12 April 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's more that Gollum is 500 years old and has spent 450 of those years in a hole in the ground*. There's a line during the riddles about him vaguely remembering being above ground and happier - and he doesn't much care for the memories.
*which makes him a very old hobbit, but not some sort of pre-hobbit, FFS.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 13 April 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
it's not that hard to look it up Andrew
― Number None, Saturday, 13 April 2013 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/thumb/8/88/Hobbits_comparison.jpg/631px-Hobbits_comparison.jpg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 13 April 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
i would have looked it up but i thought it'd be much much more fun to ask you lovely people instead.
― Chris, Saturday, 13 April 2013 11:20 (eleven years ago) link
I did look it up! - and then paraphrased.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 13 April 2013 11:34 (eleven years ago) link
stoors wear boots and you gotta believe me
― lag∞n, Saturday, 13 April 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
Hobbit hobbit hobbit hobbit oh BTW DRAGON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq3UmifZaqM
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
dragon? yeah, for another 6 hours
― but olives are valuable too (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
*instant dwarfshot* But I kid the etc
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
sucker for a pun
― but olives are valuable too (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
I so want to resist the call of the craptastic but I know I'll see this one too and be disappointed. I cringed a few times just watching the trailer.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
Oh yeah, this again.
Methinks Game of Thrones increasingly makes this look like child's play, because, well ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
If anything the problem with the first one was it wasn't child's play ENOUGH...
― folsom country prism (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
otm
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Pretty much, because if you're going to use GoT on any level, book or film, to beat Tolkien's original Hobbit with, then fuck right off -- different intended audience/goals/origins. Jackson's interpretation of the Hobbit as expanded universe ultraedition, though, understandably fair game.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
Book or TV rather but anyway.
haha this one has the tunnel/smaug stuff in it? the third one's just gonna be three hours of the battle of five armies.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
honestly think we might as well start saying film when we mean stuff like GoT. have ned's back here tho
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 11 June 2013 17:47 (ten years ago) link