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DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD.

It is an excuse for one person to have their cake and eat it too. It is the refuge of the emotionally selfish who doesn't mind hurting everyone around them except themselves.

Or, on the other hand, if you're that bored with a relationship that you want to start screwing around - sorry - bringing other people into it, then that relationship wasn't built on anything particularly strong in the first place.

DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD!!!

Not that I speak from experience either.

kate (kate), Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:52 (twenty years ago) link

What if it's with ppl who aren't so easily hurt-able?

dave q, Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

and even if they are, welcome to the human race

dave q, Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:54 (twenty years ago) link

Dave Q you have never, nor will you ever belong to the human race.

kate (kate), Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:56 (twenty years ago) link

"astronaut...barely alive!"

dave q, Thursday, 17 July 2003 07:58 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, I've seen it work very well in some cases, but it does seem to help if everyone involved is in multiple relationships.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 July 2003 08:30 (twenty years ago) link


does it count if you have amnesia or are sleep walking or something & you don't know you're having relationships with more than one person? not that i'm talking from personal exp.

duane, Thursday, 17 July 2003 10:34 (twenty years ago) link

i feel like some freaked out guinea pig

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

Do you squeak like one?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

only when pressed

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

guinea pigs crap when you press 'em

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

I will not press Jess.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

For the last few years I have had a girlfriend who lives in California; I see her a few times a year, and it works out fine for all of us (she has several girlfriends of this sort).

A couple of years ago, my husband and I had a girlfriend who lived in Germany, and who was involved with both of us -- again, we would see her a few times a year and all was very nice. We went to Venice together once. She dumped us in a particularly heartless manner. Plus, she was a Momus fan!

Layna (Layna Andersen), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, I think that's what it was (a pagan humping circle).

Kate nailed it from my own outside perspective, it always seemed to be one guy with an inflated sense of self-esteem and probably a too-big-dick and girls who did not have good opinions of themselves, who did a good job of seeming to be cool with everything, but in all the cases I witnessed someone was getting hurt and, away from the people in the relationship, was very obviously unhappy.

Frankly the whole thing smacks of immaturity to me.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

plus you know sex is fun and all but it's not the be-all and end-all of existence. you can be in a monogamous relationship and still have close friends of the opposite sex and not fuck them. have some self control for heaven's sake!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

Jess should start a website called Freaky Pigger.

Larcole (Nicole), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

that strikes me as a pretty sexist interpretation anthony

ronan and i came up with a website the yesterday called "creaky finger"

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

plus you know sex is fun and all but it's not the be-all and end-all of existence. you can be in a monogamous relationship and still have close friends of the opposite sex and not fuck them. have some self control for heaven's sake!

Hell, why have a relationship in the first place, then!

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

"someone was getting hurt and, away from the people in the relationship, was very obviously unhappy" = argt against marriage also surely, or having kids, or anything?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

I think it's fine to say, "not my cup of tea" but a lot of people here are being really judgmental and closed minded.

The only regular poster I know of who can speak with any authority on this subject is Ms. Laura.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Yus, she crossed my mind as well. Since the thread was started well before she got here, likely she hasn't seen it yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

What DDG said. I'm slightly disturbed by some of the reactions on this thread.

I have been a part of a poly relationship, and while it didn't work all that well, for a whole shedload of reasons, it's not something I wouldn't consider again. I'm honestly not bothered by my partner being someone else's partner as well, providing he/she is not an arsehole. I've known enough happy poly people/relationships to be aware that it can work, and over a long period of time too.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 July 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

finding one person you can really get on well with is nice enough, if there was another that seemed to fit in perfectly, sure. I mean, CSN didn't think Y was a good idea, either.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link

and see how that ended up!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

and that's life!!

(special for Josh there)

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

Poly? Hippies (and all their STDs) to thread!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

These days, aside from on ILX, I pretty much assume anyone I run into online is poly, like I assumed when I lived in Amherst that anyone I ran into was bi. It's just one of those things.

I've had a tiny bit of firsthand experience and tons of secondhand experience with it. It isn't for me. The majority of the people I've known who seem to make it work are people I really can't stand, which makes it all pretty moot for me: if those are the personalities required to make it work, it really really isn't for me. (I'm not counting Our Ms L, since I don't really know her.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Although I don't her too much better than the most of you from what I do know I have to say Ms. Laura seems like one of the most generous, balanced, sweet and well, just, lovely people.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

I like the implication that Tep cannot pass judgement on Ms Laura's personality until he sexes her.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, ditto, that's why I made sure to point out I wasn't including her. The monogamous folks I know aren't necessarily in better boats than the others.

(Almost cross-posted with Dan there. The ditto is to DDG.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 17 July 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

I've been in one or two relationships like this, to one degree or another - nothing as long-term as Laura's, but still. They worked okay, I thought, no more problems than other relationships, more or less, and the sex was sometimes spectacular. Like Rick, I have no problem with any partner of mine having sex with someone else, unless it takes them away from me.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 17 July 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

The only regular poster I know of who can speak with any authority on this subject is Ms. Laura.

haha why do you think i revived this?!?!

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

anyway i was wrong, it wasn't just sexist, it was hetero-sexist (and sounds like bitterness from experience.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

that said (obviously) i totally agree with everyone who sez the haters are being, well, haterful. (i also wonder how many of them are currently in relationships of any sort. i wasn't, in my first post way way way up there, but i like to think i was being even handed, even back then.) my take on it is this: since when do i have any say, especially if i "love" someone, in how that person lives their life, provided i don't feel like the way they need to live their life is trampling over my same. there are all sorts of icky control issues wrapped up in an immediate dismissal of this idea.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

(and i think anyone who is even remotely familiar with how i am on ilx knows i have no problem standing up for myself. this is new-ish, and we'll see how it plays out. but i value my own happiness too much to end my relationship because my partner wants to take a 180 turn. if our shocks are good, we can handle it.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know anybody who does this, but I do know a ton of swingers, and they all kinda freak me out a bit (I am a boring, boring man)

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

the tempation to ask for details is getting harder to resist

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

(xpost)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

haha "swingers"...millar do you live in a 1960s dick van dyke movie?

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

No, the mid-1990s hipster take.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

you're so money ned

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

BUT can he trip over an ottoman and land on his feet?

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

Who can't!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

There are still lots of people who call themselves swingers, it just stopped being novel enough to hit the press after Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice jumped the shark.

since when do i have any say, especially if i "love" someone, in how that person lives their life, provided i don't feel like the way they need to live their life is trampling over my same.

I know it's just your take on it, jess, but this seems either vague enough as to not mean much ("... provided I don't feel ..." grants a lot of leeway) or just bizarre. In any long-term relationship, how X lives their life affects Y in many, many ways which don't trample Y's ability to live their life the way they want to.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

well she wants to finish college in washington state for as much as i desperately want to move back to the east coast to be with my family and friends, but again, compromise, my friend.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

heh, early mention of the dread trucker hat:(oh, and he lacks some important teeth too. no mesh-backed hats sighted as of yet.)

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

(i.e. she knows damn well that i'm not planning on staying in washington indefinitely, and if she wants the relationship to continue, she has to think about moving to the east coast, 2900 miles away from anyone she knows. as of right now, that's apparently not a problem. and i don't honestly see how anyone can live their lives so far in advance that they think they can plan out any future twists and turns like, oh what if she decides she doesnt want to come to the east coast oh no! let it all go, whoah oh ay oh.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

Trust me, if it weren't for compromise, I wouldn't be living in Indiana :)

That's all I was saying, I think -- compromise as opposed to a completely "do whatever you like as long as it doesn't threaten my well-being" sort of thing.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

oh no, i was actually the one who ended up bringing it up even though it was she who really wanted to do it (droppin hints etc...this is normal, actually, if not necessarily healthy). there are many escape clauses already worked into the contract.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

... I'm tempted to start a new thread about compromise in relationships now, cause it's been on my mind a lot lately due to, well, being here. (The girlfriend is an academic, and the job market being what it is, she isn't going to have a whole lot of choice in where her first professorial job is ... I intend to make freelancing pay off full-time, which means where I live is irrelevant, career-wise. This is not the first time I've been in this position, but last time, it was with someone who teaches Southern literature, so it didn't matter: the South is where I want to live. This time ... well, it's different, and our preferences are at odds, but I keep unconsciously doing the "but I've lived more places and have years more life experience than you, my preferences are more informed and developed" thing, which is really bad to do...)

(Now I'm derailing this thread. Ignore me, actually, I should be writing my paper for tomorrow morning.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 17 July 2003 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

like cultists

j., Monday, 16 October 2017 01:00 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

this badiouian-maoist critique of polyamory

amazing!

budo jeru, Saturday, 11 June 2022 04:34 (one year ago) link

revolutionaryphilosophycommittee.wordpress.com is no longer available.
The authors have deleted this site.

sarahell, Saturday, 11 June 2022 12:38 (one year ago) link

rip

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:53 (one year ago) link

i wayback machine'd it, you should too?

budo jeru, Saturday, 11 June 2022 18:30 (one year ago) link

thanking u!

sarahell, Saturday, 11 June 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link

Those who engage in polyamory speak about loving multiple people, yet they never once ask the question, ‘what is love?’

badiou don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more

sarahell, Saturday, 11 June 2022 18:44 (one year ago) link

this badiouian-maoist critique of polyamory

amazing!

― budo jeru

at least we don't have to content with a baeddelian critique of polyamory (lol as if such i could even imagine a self-identified baeddel who wasn't poly)

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 June 2022 20:34 (one year ago) link


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