scientology & celebrities

tbf everyone in that room was already somewhat high ranked, right?

I was going on the article's description - "Those interned there until 2000 were the children of the Sea Org, the elite of the Church founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard."

I guess the Sea Orgers are just in enough to sacrifice family members without reaching the point of living high off the rest of the cult?

I don't know that anyone lives high except Miscavige

Probably true. Halfway through Going Clear myself.

I finished it a while ago -- seriously everyone should watch the Koppel/Miscavige Nightline interview. It's 55 min of squirming.

I'm curious why it's the children of Hubbard's elite who are subjected to this, rather than strivers climbing the ranks?

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, March 18, 2013 8:01 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

purge of the highest-ranking.

Arizona charter schools using Scientology-related materials, and a tad bemused by parents' reactions
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/27/174441623/peter-o-dowd-tk

Scientlology

http://www.vice.com/read/scientologists-make-terrible-stand-up-comedians

Thought the bump would be about After Earth

i'm surprised more people don't become scientologists just so they can escape and either get a book deal or, at the very least, have fascinating stories to tell at parties.

me too
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http://tv.yahoo.com/news/remini-calls-police-scientology-chiefs-wife-200800838.html

King of Queens star Leah Remini has filed a missing person report concerning the whereabouts of the wife of Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige.

A source confirmed to ET on Thursday that Remini contacted police and the actress alleges that Shelly Miscavige has not been seen in public for more than six years. Remini recently announced that she was leaving the Church of Scientology after disagreeing with various teachings and policies of the faith.

wo

she's probably at one of those slave compounds right

damn

u go leah

Nothing to see here, move along: http://gawker.com/tv-stars-missing-person-claim-against-scientology-rule-1076869636

Leah Remini, the King of Queens star who noisily and publicly left Scientology after three decades of membership over disagreements with church leader David Miscavige, filed a missing person report for his wife Shelly who supposedly hasn't been seen in public in six years. The LAPD has taken the report and "ruled as unfounded." The missing person case is closed.

Boo.

"It is a publicity stunt cooked up by a small band of unemployed fanatics who live on the fringe of the Internet."

It's a Mail link, but here are some closer up pictures of that underground base in New Mexico
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395235/EXCLUSIVE-Pictured-close-time-Scientologys-secret-alien-space-cathedral-landing-pad-New-Mexico-desert-return-followers-Armageddon-Earth.html

The Wright book is awesome so far.

Whoops!

http://gawker.com/scientology-flack-arrested-in-plot-to-kill-cop-1188941437

Interlocking circles with diamonds in them carved out by removing small scrub trees:

It is believed that they are a ‘return point’ so members of the church know where they can find the works of founder L. Ron Hubbard when they come back from space after a nuclear catastrophe wipes out the human race.

Won't the trees just grow back by then?

shhh

As noted on Facebook, that guy arrested in the cop killing plot looks like the real world equivalent of Achewood's Nice Pete.

Reading Going Clear. Holy Fuuuuuck

yup

Any new scoops/info in that book? Seems like every couple of years a new book about Scientology comes out and they all tend to go over the same stuff everyone knows about already.

I dunno, it's pretty juicy!

i'll jus' have to check it out!

Any new scoops/info in that book?

that tommy davis had allegedly blown twice was new to me

Going Clear goes deeeeeeeep. I thought it was pretty full of revelations, to degrees, especially re: LRH, made more effective given how well reported it all is, and how straight-forward and not at all salacious the prose is. Also: many people involved are even crazier than you think.

cool, definitely check out ASAP then. my mild skepticism was only because there has been a veritable flood of scientology books and exposes in the last few years.

120 pages in, it's fantastic, and omg is hubbard/scientology batshit [oops spoiler]

made more effective given how well reported it all is, and how straight-forward and not at all salacious the prose is.

very vigorously seconded

Read this last year, outstanding book. Agree with y'all about the authorial tone.

lates, its mindblowing. read it.

Same author's al Qaeda book is also excellent.

Just put a hold on the eBook for this at my local library. Stoked about reading it.

And then declaring all of you as SPs.

I always love Lawrence Wright pieces in the New Yorker, and yes, they always have that crisp, unhyperbolic prose style that makes the facts shimmer a lot more. I love the way he'll present the obviously delusional account of a Hubbard experience without qualifying it too much, maybe just putting in a quick word or phrase, or else the brief testimony of someone else, to show that it's clearly not true -- like, here are all the things Hubbard said about how his vision improved through scientology, and then here is what another person said, which demonstrates that this is almost certainly false. But he doesn't weigh in or tilt the scales with adjectives, he just lets the facts speak.

Also, given the subject matter, he apparently subjected the book to a massive degree of scrutiny/proofreading/source-checking. The bind the CoS finds itself in is that to sue over this stuff, they'd have to produce suppressed or locked-away documents that would counter its claims. And clearly they don't want to or can't do that; there's a lot in this book that references Hubbard's supposedly unofficial autobiography, which the CoS has submitted as evidence in the past but has kept conspicuously locked up and out of the spotlight for most of the past couple of decades. If the CoS asserted that confessions in that book do not exist, they'd have to produce the book to prove it. Which is perhaps why the CoS has stayed weirdly silent and not-litigious when it comes to this giant tome and the earlier NYer article (with its damning revelation of massively doctored/faked documents and photographs from the St. Louis Hubbard archives).

the 70 or so pages of Hubbard biography was riveting

just the sheer amount of moving around the world he did in the middle of the twentieth century is crazy on its own, let alone everything else he was up to

Read "Bare Faced Messiah" years ago and that was :-O enough. Unfortunately, "Going Clear" isn't available in the UK, give you one guess why.

That's one thing the book brought up that I thought was most bonkers: Hubbard may hold the Guinness Record for most number of books published. Which this books brings up as an odd irony: if he were simply a con artist, why did Hubbard go above and beyond and write dozens of books, thousands upon thousands of words, developing this mythology? (Possible short answer: mental illness and amphetamines.)

No-one can fault the Commodore's work ethic, you've got to give him that

I heard the same but I'm in the UK and just ordered from Amazon - delivery tomorrow, been meaning to read this for ages! xxp

just the sheer amount of moving around the world he did in the middle of the twentieth century is crazy on its own, let alone everything else he was up to

― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Friday, January 24, 2014 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya for some reason this was one of the most mind-blowing aspects o fit

Same author's al Qaeda book is also excellent.

― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Friday, January 24, 2014 9:40 AM (1 hour ago)

thank you for this tip i will now read this book

His adventuring is actually impressive in its own light, even though the officially "impressive" parts of it are fabricated. I mean just the fact that he got a bunch of people to go on this sea voyage with him looking for some portal to a space station or something?

That's one thing the book brought up that I thought was most bonkers: Hubbard may hold the Guinness Record for most number of books published. Which this books brings up as an odd irony: if he were simply a con artist, why did Hubbard go above and beyond and write dozens of books, thousands upon thousands of words, developing this mythology? (Possible short answer: mental illness and amphetamines.)

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, January 24, 2014 11:47 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, this is a really fascinating part of the book, and I think it demonstrates that it takes more than a rational, cold-minded plan to pull off something like scientology -- you almost need the delusions and the hyper-energy of mental illness in order to make it work.