1) I grew up near there. Yeah it's the suburbs compared to NYC but so is the rest of DC. Anyway there's public transportation.
2) The campus shouldn't be that much of a factor anyway. It's not college.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's not like you're going to be sitting out on the quad watching some guy juggling on a unicycle
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
At this point I've got scholarship at Cardozo and Rutgers-Newark, WL at Penn, "on hold" at Fordham, and in at Temple, Rutgers Camden and Brooklyn with no scholarship.
Even if I get into Fordham I'll probably go to Cardozo because of the money, but if I got into Penn I'd gleefully go into massive debt. Cost of living in Philly is a lot lower too so that'd make up some of the difference.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I should have done this! Goddamn, I could have been rich as fuck in half the time it takes to do a PhD. wtf.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Don't tell me about loans, either. I know you dicks can pay off 150k in like 5 years.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Nah, the "rich as fuck" thing is exaggerated.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
rong
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost
the NY schools are probably at least marginally better than the DC schools, but go to DC if you want to work there and/or do public international law.
American is in an inner-ring burb, ie the outskirts of DC. yes, you can get downtown, and no you're not gonna be living it up all the time, but it's not the city, even by DC standards.
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
if you go to any of the schools listed above and are not one of the top 10 graduating persons than you really won't have a good chance of paying those loans off any time soon
My friend got into Fordham off the "waitlist", so goo luck. I submitted my application on 1/11/07 and haven't heard shit from them yet. Same with Cardozo.
Fordham's $$$ is nuts; my friend who goes there is looking forward to 2,000/month in loan paybacks after graduation.
Is American as bad a school as people say? Everyone's always so down on it.
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I have law school grad friends who aren't making much better money than I make now. But my job is a dead end and law is at least a career.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
read that wall street journal article from last fall, people
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link
hurting on the right track, dan is misinformed :/
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
That Wall Street Journal article was written about some whiny slacker. If I can make it as a writer in NYC, I can probably do OK in other pointless, senselessly-competitive fields.
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
that's not true of Fordham, is it?
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Whatever you say Cutty McMoneybags, Esq.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Just fucking with you, obv., sorry.
If I had a PhD subject I really wanted to do and didn't have to pay for it I'd just as soon do that.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Do you like living on 12k a year until you're like 30 y/n?
― Dan I., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, we've all read the WSJ article. People dug around and found out it was done by a whiny bitter loser who belongs to this community of other whiny, bitter losers.
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I think American is a very good school.
― felicity, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
burt stanton, those are some great arguments you got going, can't wait til you get up in front of judge with that sorta malarkey.
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Regardless of who wrote that article, it's well known that supply of law school grads is going up way faster than demand for lawyers.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
wow burt you have it all figured out and you haven't even read pennoyer v. neff yet
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:23 (sixteen years ago) link
They're amazing arguments, aren't they. No, I have 0 respect for people who go into a brutally competitive field and then get surprised that it has a nasty food chain.
It's even worse with lib. arts Ph.D.s... I withdrew my English Ph.D. applications after realizing that, if my 4.0 Vassar friends were struggling to get into decent schools, that little ole state college me probably wouldn't fare too well.
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Lol "malarkey"
shillelagh hugger
― felicity, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link
ILX lawyer roll call:
me gabbneb felicity Hunt3r Daniel, Esq?
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Depends. And I don't mean that as a flip answer, Dan. OTOH, this . . .
. . . isn't necessarily true, either.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Ah, I didn't know those others were attorneys! What kind of law do you all practice?
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
ACTUALLY -
As a graduate of Catholic University Law, one of the schools in DC that doesn't contain the name George, I can tell you that American (and Catholic, Howard, and Maryland) grads can very easily get good jobs in DC.
And the job market in DC, according to an article in the Post late last year, was very, very good.
Next Point: Comparing academic graduate programs and professional graduate programs is like apples and oranges, and the money is just one reason.
This is the most important point:
If you want to be an attorney, go to law school. Do well. Meet people. Try to have a part-time job and a summer job, even if you don't get a cherry summer associateship. Accept the fact that, at least for the first few years, you will be living on a budget. Get a job. Start doing good work, and you'll start building a career.
If prestige, or influence, money or power is the driving motivation behind you going to law school, DON'T. Go to business school. Hire youreself out as a third world dictator. Start selling drugs - I hear the Stansfield corners in West Baltimore are WIDE open.
BLAM, Esq.
― B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Law school definitely seems like the wrong path to go if you want to make a ton of money these days; even Big Law people seem disappointed at the measily 160k they make, when kids out of college are plowing through 300k/year in banking, etc.
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
As I said upthread, not necessarily.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
To be fair, Burt, if you're talking about first-year salaries, or salaries for young lawyers, I think you're in the ballpark (the N.Y. Big Firm rate was about 150k for first-years a few years ago; I haven't checked on it in some time).
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
BLAM otm. the wsj article isn't just whining, but it is overstated, maybe by a lot.
What kind of law do you all practice?
gabbneb practices Atlantic Waterfowl law, felicity is one of the Top 100 Lawn Sportshound lawyers in America, and cutty specializes in the Law of the Seahorse.
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:46 (sixteen years ago) link
General litigation, mostly small business. Never want to do criminal, although that area of law is fascinating to me.
― B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Ah, all you niche lawyers.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Ah, all you rich niche lawyers
Fixed.
i work for NYC
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
A friend of mine from NYU law is about to go work for NYC. He already did summer work for the city.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Sounds like a good job. I worked for a NYC-based firm for a couple of years (in its South Florida office). Good experience. Good lawyers.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
hurting, find out what division and let me know, i'll greet him
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah I'll ask him. good guy.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Fyi if you are admitted in CA you can waive into NY through DC without taking the bar.
― felicity, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I do IP LOLaw.
― felicity, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I've done some IP litigation, too (tho, admittedly, only a few cases). Esoteric, heady stuff. I liked it.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 March 2008 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i wanted to do IP but couldn't break in to that field without a technical degree. the city work is good cause it's 9-5, stress-free, and i definitely do not take my work home with me
― cutty, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link
B.L.A.M., did you just take the CA bar? Maybe I am thinking someone else.
― felicity, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm sure a technical degree helps to do IP work, but the IP litigation I've done is all just straightforward -- albeit difficult and nuanced -- litigation. Tho, to be fair, most of my friends who went into IP had engineering backgrounds.
(xp to Cutty)
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 13 March 2008 02:02 (sixteen years ago) link