― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link
The fact that the Pornography remaster sounds that good makes me want to get it first, but I have until Friday to decide.
― That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyone else who wants one can maybe contact the others for the moment, I guess thats fair?
Dan, as far as I can make out Home, Ocean & Spilt Milk were never played live.
I've found good versions of Lost, The Promise and Before Three.
I can't find Going Nowhere, Never or Anniversary, do you have good quality non-mp3 sourced versions?
― mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link
I need photoshop help I think, well more than help actually, I was going to adapt the Concert/Curiosity artwork but I don't think I've got the skills (or a scanner for that matter), anyone here wishing to tackle the job? I'll print it all.
― mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:49 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't, but I can do some digging to see if I can find anything.
I do have "Why Can't I Be You???/The Lovecats" from a June 9, 1989 show in Torino on CD if you're interested.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 10:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― jonviachicago, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I got the Faith re-issue yesterday, and it is marvelous, but I had a few questions about the sound quality. Does anyone else notice a touch of distortion in the original album version of "Doubt"? Just where it gets the loudest, there is a bit of fuzz. Try around 1:32 to 1:40 into it. Is this normal? Was it always like this? (almost a "Siamese Twins" quote there, sorry) I just wanna make sure I don't have a damaged disc. Is this something revealed in the remastering or something always there?
Also, I realize the demos and live tracks are going to be of fairlyrough quality, but does everyone else have a period click that runs consistently through both the demo versions of "Faith" and "Doubt"? And a noticeable hiss throughout the live version of "Faith"?
― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I must admit I hadn't thought about Why Can't I Be You, is there much love for this song in general? I've got some versions of it for sure.
― mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Petroski (petroski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Petroski, I shall do that! Thanks!
― mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx (it must be a camel) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of (heh) (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link
That's more than fair. When they hit the playground things REALLY tripped out. (Thus, again, The Top -- "The World is Yours" a la Scarface, where the leetle friend is the flanger.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
The bonus disc is fucking great, though...love the sound quality of the live tracks (I've never heard "Forever" before in any version and I thought it was great, so those later versions must be the best thing ever) and every demo was massively interesting -- the whole disc is full of revelatory moments. "Going Home Time" does sound like a premature version of something from Sulk, and the live version of "All Cats Are Grey" sounds like something that should've been on Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom. Shame that "Charlotte Sometimes" sounds even more muffled than on Standing On a Beach, though.
I got the Faith re-issue yesterday, and it is marvelous, but I had a few questions about the sound quality. Does anyone else notice a touch of distortion in the original album version of "Doubt"? Just where it gets the loudest, there is a bit of fuzz. Try around 1:32 to 1:40 into it. Is this normal? Was it always like this? (almost a "Siamese Twins" quote there, sorry) I just wanna make sure I don't have a damaged disc. Is this something revealed in the remastering or something always there?Yeah, it's the mastering. It buzzed throughout the loudest portion of that song and I heard a bit of fuzz on "The Drowning Man", too. It sounded like it was mastered through an earlier edition of the Audacity programme, and considering that most of the master tapes from that time were erased from having sat by a washing machine or some other appliance, they might have mastered it from some other source and so it's not all that surprising. Eh well. At least "Faith" the song doesn't skip like it does on my old edition of the album. It's startling how full and meaty some of the songs sound, though -- the original pressings sound really thin and I thought it was Hedges' production (Siouxsie's early albums were done by him, too, and so I thought the thin sound was part of his aesthetic or a result of being under-produced) but I guess it was that crap pre-1992 mastering after all, deceiving fuckers.
― That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 14 May 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link
I do this 24/7.
(It is a vast improvement over the previous CD version in America.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link
these deluxe editions have get me vaguely interested in the cure for the 2st time in years+years. the head on the door/kiss me/disintegration era would be my fave.
― piscesboy, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link
I assume that when Robert said the masters were erased he meant the original multi-track tapes - which would be most useful for taking the individual bits and mixing them up.
I hope that Rhino wouldn't stick a big "digitally remastered from the original master tapes" label on something if it weren't true. (Truth in the music industry? Hopeless romantic? Me?)
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 27 May 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link
So you're thinking just the original multi-track tapes were lost. So what would these be "re-masters" of? I'm so confused. Regardless, the sound of Doubt on the deluxe version of Faith ain't so good. Oh well.
― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 27 May 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
So, if Faith were recorded in 16 tracks, the tape would be divided 16 ways to record 16 different instruments, voices and effects. This would then be "mixed down" to 2 tracks which would become the stereo album master.
If the original album 2 track master tape is around, one can re-transfer it to a digital format - equalize it, normalize it, remove hiss and static - i.e., remaster. But you can't remix it beyond making it mono or cutting and pasting parts of the full song - no individual instruments.
Make sense now?
I haven't noticed any problems with "Doubt" myself, but I've only heard mp3s (still waiting for the CD to be delivered).
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine. Sweeter than a lorry load of white Toblerones. (Eastern Mantr, Monday, 6 June 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link