CURRENT "BLACK FLAG" tour

The new song is pretty much crap.

It's horrible

have a link to the new song?

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2013/05/black_flag_rele.html

thanks!

who's the fingerguns dude? actually, I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

thanks!

― Poliopolice, Friday, May 3, 2013 1:54 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha you may rescind this after you listen

i didn't think it was that bad, actually! they have far worse songs in their catalog than this.

I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

Ron Reyes is in the front. The other two guys have never been in Black Flag before now, as opposed to FLAG which features 100% former members.

who's the fingerguns dude? actually, I'm not sure I recognize anyone in that photo except for Greg Ginn.

― Poliopolice, Friday, May 3, 2013 6:56 PM (7

that's singer Ron Reyes to Ginn's left and I guess one of 'em is drummer Gregory Moore, and the other is a bass player, I think.

for a second I was scared red-pants dude was one of the MacDonald/Redd Kross bros

Fingerguns dude looks like he just quit a punk rock barbershop quartet.

Imagine if they called it Dead in the Dirt, and Dead in the Dirt could sue them for cashing in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cllIgKFydAw

hoo that'd be rich

they have far worse songs in their catalog than this.

they have 'as bad' and they have 'worse' but they do not have 'far worse' than this.

Slip It In (the song) is genuinely terrible. I would call that far worse.

wtf slip it in is awesome

The weird frat boy macho shit is embarrassing

Slip It In (the song) is genuinely terrible. I would call that far worse.

Slip It In is a truly repellent lyric, I agree. It's set to a totally awesome riff and hook, which redeems it as far as a lyric like that could be redeemed, which is not very far.

What does this portend for Ginn's jamband, Jambang!!?!?!?

Hey Stevie-- did you write that Black Flag book? It's really good!

Greg Ginn IS Black Flag. There's a thing on ILX like he's such a dick and just a figure of ridicule which is just baffling to me. He doesn't wanna be your friend or do what you want him to do. Until now. Greg Ginn - there's nobody more entitled to play Black Flag songs till the day he dies. The fact that he's been pretty reluctant to get out and do that makes this all the better. Or are we just supposed to say that Black Flag songs shall never be performed because they will never live up to everyone's interpretations of what "Black Flag" is? Whatever you think "Black Flag" is, there's nothing that's going to live up to it. But if you love Black Flag's music then there is a good chance that this will be really fun.

Ron Reyes is still full of energy and is a great performer. And because it's Ron, they will likely favour the earlier material - a bonus. So I'm going to defend this reunion. This is going to stand or fall based on the quality of the music and the show. I'd rather see this than have Ginn go out with Rollins anyday. This has more credibility than the recent Kraftwerk shows (one member, three tools, lots of miming) but I won't deny that thousands had a great time at the shows. This is the voice and the distinctive guitarist of Black Flag. They're the Page&Plant of LA punk. Assuming they can actually do it (and they proved they could last year btw).

There's a thing on ILX like he's such a dick

Also, IRL.

He's not trying to live up to your expectations. Or did you not pick that up from the songs?

I have no expectations from Greg Ginn, other than that he either pay the bands he signed to his label or give them back their masters.

Greg Ginn's sound/style is certainly identifiable and fairly integral to BF's sound, but it CAN BE replicated. He likes to pretend every member from every era of Black Flag is disposable. Well, he is too.

So what's your point? He's not allowed to play these songs because he can be replicated?

He DID write them, yknow.

What's YOUR point? He wrote "note: not to be confused with the ‘fake’ Flag band currently covering the songs of BLACK FLAG in an embarrassingly weak “mailing it in” fashion*** We urge you to check out the real BLACK FLAG when they hit your area."

FLAG is every bit as real as the current Black Flag is and he knows it and he can't stand it and now he's being a fucking baby AS USUAL. He can play whatever the fuck he wants with Reyes and two hired hands, but I think most people who've ever loved Black Flag for any portion of their lives are aware Ginn is an asshole and would rather see a version of the band that seems like a natural good time instead of one that looks like a fucking cashgrab. I'll let you decide which one I think is which.

Hey Stevie-- did you write that Black Flag book? It's really good!

i did! and thank you!

black flag *is greg ginn. it's his band, his vision, and it mostly always has been. really don't like the new song, though, but didn't imagine i would, and don't know if i'd really want to see this version of black flag, going by what i heard about greg's bf reunion show in the early 00s, though ron is one of my favourite flag singers, and i'm sure the show would be fun. would love to see Flag though - chuck dukowki's own sextet and keith's OFF! are excellent, too.

So I've listened to this song a few more times and my opinion hasn't really changed. It seems like a perfectly decent song, far from from awful, and probably better than I would have expected. If I could change anything, it would probably be the vox, which sound kinda silly. At the very least, i'd reduce them significantly in the mix. They seem far too loud. The guitar riff is pretty cool and should be louder.

I think most people who've ever loved Black Flag for any portion of their lives are aware Ginn is an asshole

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

I'm certainly not one to tow the ILM line on anything, but I think it's true that a lot of people (even fans) think Greg Ginn is an asshole-- certainly a lot of his ex-bandmates think that. He's withheld money from bands, jealously guarded master tapes, is religious about removing Black Flag videos from Youtube (like rare concert footage), etc. But that doesn't have much to do with the music, although I think it does say something that he's been the only constant member of that band. Doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does, or that he isn't a true pioneer in the field. It's just that a lot of people have found him personally hard to deal with.

You should check out Stevie's book. It's not an anti-Ginn book by any means, but you get a certain impression of Ginn as someone who isn't that diplomatic or interested in empathizing with others.

http://amzn.com/1604864184

hey everything I know plenty of people from the old school SST/Pedro scene who think Ginn sucks too, people who don't even know what ILM is (see Tom Troccoli's posts on this board, etc.). I hear your arguments about his own catalog how he has the right to play it, but as long as he continues to fuck over everybody who ever released a record on his label who can't afford the legal fees to buy their rights back, your arguments are as weak as Ginn's output for the last 20 years.

also, it's TOE the line, polio.

Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world

If you think enmity towards Ginn is limited to ILM then you must be crazy high.

Even Greg's own brother can't stand him.

he was one of the first on that bandwagon, too.

LOL. Get your nose out of ILM and into the real world and you might see how fucking ridiculous that sounds.

― everything, Saturday, May 4, 2013 11:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

love the use of "the real world" here

gonna log out of my ILX ivory tower and hang out at construction sites for truly clued in Black Flag debate

can't speak for anyone else posting itt but I can 500% guarantee that if I had never read or posted to this board I would still be aware of what lots and lots of ppl think about Greg Ginn

<i>as opposed to FLAG which features 100% former members.</i>
Except for Edgerton.

If Ginn, Dukowski or any of these guys want to ruin their legacies or play in pathetic cover bands, I'll check it out.

It's not a great tune, but that new song does sound like Black Flag and you can tell it's Greg Ginn on guitar.

Out of curiosity I went and looked up for some video of Flag!!!! with Keith Morris. Check out every other person with a cell phone or camera filming the band. Wacky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsZt8yiwN-o

I'm holding out for the IRL not-asshole super group of Ginn/Don Henley/Mike Love/Lou Reed and a few other assholes. I mean, non-assholes. I was thinking ILX, not IRL.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/08/black-flag-sues-flag-henry-rollins-for-copyright-infringement/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com//sites/default/files/custom/Documents/ESQ/SSTRecordsvRollins.pdf

I'm no lawyer, but I don't see this going very well for Greg.

Fuck this clown forever.

I'm supposed to see Flag at FYF Fest in a couple of weeks. Only way this could get sillier is if a cease and desist was served on stage.

Black Flag sues Henry Rollins for copyright infringement, demands immediate amputation of his left upper arm, neck

Oh please, Oh please, Oh please Keith, just name the band 'Fuck Greg Ginn' and call it a day.

In what is probably the only time in my life I'd ever advocate for a corporation suing a person, I would like to see the manufacturers of Black Flag bug spray sue the shit out of Greg Ginn (and win!).

What a prick. Raymond Pettibon came up with the name and the logo for Black Flag anyway. Wonder if Ginn ever paid his brother anything for that.

They fell out in the mid-80s after Pettibon discovered SST types cutting up his original artwork for flyers and such. Be surprised if he's seen a single dollar from his work (a common SST complaint).

Out At The Store Today
Saw Black Flag Coupon On A Vitamin Rack
A Little Voice Inside My Head Said:
"Don't Forget The Cheese, Your Wife Asked For Monterey Jack..."

*to self*
“well shit. i wasnt gonna go but I do need multivitamins...”