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I can't find Going Nowhere, Never or Anniversary, do you have good quality non-mp3 sourced versions?

I don't, but I can do some digging to see if I can find anything.

I do have "Why Can't I Be You???/The Lovecats" from a June 9, 1989 show in Torino on CD if you're interested.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 10:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I add to the mzui love and will burn further as well. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i definitely want to check out a copy of this once all is said and done, you guys have got me all excited to hear this stuff.

jonviachicago, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My copy of Pornography, ordered from Amazon.com, was missing its booklet. I'll return to Amazon, but I'd like to know if anyone else's booklet was missing.

paul c (paul c), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd love to get a copy of this special mzui treat, from any source. Just let me know what I need to do.

I got the Faith re-issue yesterday, and it is marvelous, but I had a few questions about the sound quality. Does anyone else notice a touch of distortion in the original album version of "Doubt"? Just where it gets the loudest, there is a bit of fuzz. Try around 1:32 to 1:40 into it. Is this normal? Was it always like this? (almost a "Siamese Twins" quote there, sorry) I just wanna make sure I don't have a damaged disc. Is this something revealed in the remastering or something always there?

Also, I realize the demos and live tracks are going to be of fairlyrough quality, but does everyone else have a period click that runs consistently through both the demo versions of "Faith" and "Doubt"? And a noticeable hiss throughout the live version of "Faith"?

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

That's be "periodic click".

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan (upthread) dig away, although we most likely have enough from that period.

I must admit I hadn't thought about Why Can't I Be You, is there much love for this song in general? I've got some versions of it for sure.

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I only suggested it because of the segue; actually my recording might really suck, I haven't listened to it in years.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I would be happy to help with Photoshoppery -- drop me a line if you want to talk about what you had in mind for the design.

Petroski (petroski), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Have a listen Dan and let me know, a segue of those tracks sound cool.

Petroski, I shall do that! Thanks!

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Why Can't I Be You?" is a very underrated single. xxxpost

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to like it but now I realize it is one of their weaker singles. Also that track never worked live (which they must feel too given how rarely they play it)

Baaderonixx (it must be a camel) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 12 May 2005 06:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Any of the primary recipients of Mzui's magic compilation who'd like to burn and post me a set, I would be grateful. I'll front or reimburse shipping, natch. Gracias.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

FRICKIN' PITCHFORK!!!!! Where are the 10s???????

The Ghost of (heh) (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

That evil Nabisco, not to recognize perfection! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I originally put Faith a little higher, but then I wanted to leave myself room for (a) future reissues and (b) my first six albums, which will all be superb, though varying just enough in quality to fill up the whole 9.4-10.0 range. The first of those is contingent on my decision, listening through the first four reissues, that I'm actually more impressed by the whole fantasy-world teenage-beloved pop band that Cure became later. The early records have more of the serious-music style that impresses people now, more of the rawness and quirk and chic struggling-to-create vibe. But those later ones accomplished stuff that I honestly can't think of any other band competing with.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm actually more impressed by the whole fantasy-world teenage-beloved pop band that Cure became later

That's more than fair. When they hit the playground things REALLY tripped out. (Thus, again, The Top -- "The World is Yours" a la Scarface, where the leetle friend is the flanger.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I ended up coming to indecisiveness at Vinyl Fever upon seeing the three reissues, went eeny-meenie-minie-moe, came out with Faith, and I couldn't be more pleased, even though I was more in the mood for something fun considering that the past 18 hours had been wonderful and I felt relaxed for the first time in about a year (like Robert Smith laughing a mirror, yeah!). (Oh, Ned, I also bought the new Mira maxi -- Vinyl Fever finally stocked it and had three copies of it. Regina walked past me three times and kept looking at me in a bemused way when I first came in the store, too, and that's before I even got around to the local section. Speaking of which, Regina's apparently in yet another band now -- busy woman she is -- that includes a mate of my friend Suzee, and I heard some demos and they're brilliant, too, very reminiscent of poppier moments like "Play for Today" from early Cure, but I can't remember this band's name to my chagrin.)

The bonus disc is fucking great, though...love the sound quality of the live tracks (I've never heard "Forever" before in any version and I thought it was great, so those later versions must be the best thing ever) and every demo was massively interesting -- the whole disc is full of revelatory moments. "Going Home Time" does sound like a premature version of something from Sulk, and the live version of "All Cats Are Grey" sounds like something that should've been on Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom. Shame that "Charlotte Sometimes" sounds even more muffled than on Standing On a Beach, though.

I got the Faith re-issue yesterday, and it is marvelous, but I had a few questions about the sound quality. Does anyone else notice a touch of distortion in the original album version of "Doubt"? Just where it gets the loudest, there is a bit of fuzz. Try around 1:32 to 1:40 into it. Is this normal? Was it always like this? (almost a "Siamese Twins" quote there, sorry) I just wanna make sure I don't have a damaged disc. Is this something revealed in the remastering or something always there?
Yeah, it's the mastering. It buzzed throughout the loudest portion of that song and I heard a bit of fuzz on "The Drowning Man", too. It sounded like it was mastered through an earlier edition of the Audacity programme, and considering that most of the master tapes from that time were erased from having sat by a washing machine or some other appliance, they might have mastered it from some other source and so it's not all that surprising. Eh well. At least "Faith" the song doesn't skip like it does on my old edition of the album. It's startling how full and meaty some of the songs sound, though -- the original pressings sound really thin and I thought it was Hedges' production (Siouxsie's early albums were done by him, too, and so I thought the thin sound was part of his aesthetic or a result of being under-produced) but I guess it was that crap pre-1992 mastering after all, deceiving fuckers.

That's not cocaine! It's Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 14 May 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

So you've heard that the masters were erased and so they had to master from some other source? Cause the fuzz bothers me. Was this the case on the original cd realease too? Or is the sound so thin on that that it's not recommended? So would this make the vinyl version the most highly recommended in terms of sound quality?

matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Hm, hadn't heard any of that...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you hear the fuzzies though Ned? Do you think the overall sound quality is good enough to still make the reissue the recommended version for sound quality? I have heard no other version.

matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you hear the fuzzies though Ned?

I do this 24/7.

(It is a vast improvement over the previous CD version in America.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Hearing the fuzzies 24/7 is something I one day desire to do.

matt2 (matt2), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The story of the lost master tapes is well documented (cf. when Mixed Up came out, RS thus explained why they had to re-record Forest and Walk). I think it's also mentionned in 10 Imaginary Years

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

so which three come out next?

these deluxe editions have get me vaguely interested in the cure for the 2st time in years+years. the head on the door/kiss me/disintegration era would be my fave.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

There are mentions upthread of what's supposed to be next, from someone who appears to be In the Know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

It sounded like it was mastered through an earlier edition of the Audacity programme, and considering that most of the master tapes from that time were erased from having sat by a washing machine or some other appliance, they might have mastered it from some other source and so it's not all that surprising.

I assume that when Robert said the masters were erased he meant the original multi-track tapes - which would be most useful for taking the individual bits and mixing them up.

I hope that Rhino wouldn't stick a big "digitally remastered from the original master tapes" label on something if it weren't true. (Truth in the music industry? Hopeless romantic? Me?)

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 27 May 2005 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Kent,

So you're thinking just the original multi-track tapes were lost. So what would these be "re-masters" of? I'm so confused. Regardless, the sound of Doubt on the deluxe version of Faith ain't so good. Oh well.

matt2 (matt2), Friday, 27 May 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Multi-track tapes house the individual tracks for each instrument - a drum track, a guitar track, a vocal track, etc. - which all get mixed down to make the album master. So if the original multi-track tapes were erased, one couldn't remix the song.

So, if Faith were recorded in 16 tracks, the tape would be divided 16 ways to record 16 different instruments, voices and effects. This would then be "mixed down" to 2 tracks which would become the stereo album master.

If the original album 2 track master tape is around, one can re-transfer it to a digital format - equalize it, normalize it, remove hiss and static - i.e., remaster. But you can't remix it beyond making it mono or cutting and pasting parts of the full song - no individual instruments.

Make sense now?

I haven't noticed any problems with "Doubt" myself, but I've only heard mp3s (still waiting for the CD to be delivered).

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Kent. I guess I'll just have to live with the crackling, but I finally got the re-issued Seventeen Seconds and Pornography and they are fantastic. I can't wait for the rest of the material.

matt2 (matt2), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

When are the next ones (what's next? The Top?) due to come out? Are they going to reissue Concert as well?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

September probably. Next batch should be 'Blue Sunshine', 'The Top' and 'Head on the Door'

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I think a good 85% of the rarities that would have been included with Concert (ie, "Curiosity") have already been released as portions of the first four rereleases.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

No Japanese Whispers then? Or has that already been collected elsewhere?
re. Japanese Whispers - the singles were on Standing on the Beach and the B-Sides on the Join the Dots boxset.

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, read upthread folks -- there's a post from someone who seems to be in the know that indicates the next general batch will be Top, Head on the Door, Kiss Me and Disintegration.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Blue Sunshine is being reissued but is not part of this reissue campaign by this label

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 6 June 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Can someone help me find the new thread for this live collection that is going to be circulated. I can't find it no mo.

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Curiosity Redux Thread

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks. I was searching for Cure not Curiosity.

matt2 (matt2), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
So when's the new batch coming out?

Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Saturday, 20 August 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I keep obsessively checking Chain of Flowers and nothing! The source up above that seemed authoritative appears to have been proven false...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 August 2005 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I apologize if this was written already but this showed up regarding Three Imaginary Boys reissues on cure.com:

http://www.thecure.com/discography/cure_3ib_lyrics.pdf

Due to an unfortunate combination of circumstances the first copies of the 2 CD 'Three Imaginary Boys Deluxe Edition' were accompanied by a 16 page booklet missing the song words... All later deluxe editions will be accompanied by a 20 page booklet including the song words... For those of you wishing to get these missing words please click here to download a unique artwork PDF to print and keep... Robert


"All later deluxe editons will accompanied by a 20 page booklet including the song words" Does anybody have any info on this?

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:12 (eighteen years ago) link

...does Bob really not know the word "lyrics"?

Telephonething (Telephonething), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Just a differing terminology. By all accounts, Colin Newman of Wire call his "texts"...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:29 (eighteen years ago) link

True that. But the "missing words" bit does crack me up. PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION AS TO THE WHEREABOUTS OF THESE MISSING WORDS...

Telephonething (Telephonething), Monday, 22 August 2005 07:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I just want a copy with the words if there is a choice.

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 22 August 2005 08:09 (eighteen years ago) link

because I'm going to take it down tonight (and to further stimulate discussion): whither Primary (Red Mix)?

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

er, arse?

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

that's better

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link


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