The Hobbit films, previously to be directed by Guillermo del Toro and now to be directed by Peter Jackson again.

otm

Pretty much, because if you're going to use GoT on any level, book or film, to beat Tolkien's original Hobbit with, then fuck right off -- different intended audience/goals/origins. Jackson's interpretation of the Hobbit as expanded universe ultraedition, though, understandably fair game.

Book or TV rather but anyway.

haha this one has the tunnel/smaug stuff in it? the third one's just gonna be three hours of the battle of five armies.

honestly think we might as well start saying film when we mean stuff like GoT. have ned's back here tho

ORNALDO BLOOMPS

I was fine with the heavy expansion/adaptation of the orig material, Jackson's was a failure of tone IMO. It was like this annoying palimpsest of LOTR heavy epic and Hobbit genial magicking and completely retarded no-stakes action set pieces.

Riddles in the Dark and everything with Radagast were fucking awesome though, more Radagast pls.

Jon OTM. The Hobbit is a book of wonder and the LOTR a series of disillusionment and Jackson bolloxed them both up to differing degrees.

to be clear I mostly adore the LOTR films and think they did what they were trying to do brilliantly.

I love the Fellowship, especially in it's extended form, but the others have too many problems I can't overlook.

Yeah Fellowship by far my fave. But then that's true of the books too.

Just saying that GoT is doing the magical medieval thing better than The Hobbit did. Different creatures, absolutely, but I'd say there's more than a little audience overlap, and as far as zeitgeist goes, the GoT mythology seems to be resonating more than Middle Earth Redux; The Hobbit seemed to land like a rock in a deep lake, making a big splash then sinking into the dark, never to be seen again.

I too wish The Hobbit were more fun, since the first one failed massively as both drama and action, imo. And I'd be really curious if any kids (say, pre-12) had the fortitude to sit through a three hour slog.

I love Fellowship and Two Towers movies. King is a mess.

The LOTR films worked for me and still work, quite happily however at times haphazardly; it's not the book but can never be the book, that's the nature of adaptation (and in this GoT is similarly close-and-yet-not). I came in thinking of the Hobbit films as essentially an indulgence and excuse to get WETA to make a massive fuck-off dragon and as that looks like what we're getting, bring it.

The only thing that could likely get me to see this after sitting through The Hobbit is if Peter Jackson bred himself a real, live dragon.

what, like a fathered a dragonchild? thats p gross

"Peter Jackson and Guillermo del Toro would like to announce..."

...Pacific Rim Job.

xpost Ha!

Dragon sex will be the next big thing for rich people after space gets boring.

"About 135,000,000 results (0.25 seconds) "

Ah, of course, Cosmo's got you covered:

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/positions/the-dragon-sex-position

Thx for googling so that I don't have to.

Dragon sex:

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Hey, baby, how about a little dragon head?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0lQ4z7we9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qrgbIP7Vvc4#t=186s

Holy shit, did you dredge up that Wizard People bit from memory?!

i've um heh seen it a lot

the number of articles i've seen praising GoT for being more 'adult' and 'complex' than tolkien (salon ran one of these the other day) have pretty much killed any interest i had in seeing or reading it (which was minimal to start with).

yesterday I was idly wondering if you could chart some audience-aging trajectory from Harry Potter to GoT. idg people's fascination with this crap tbh. Tolkien is on another level but these Hobbit movies look so far removed from what made them work idgaf about them either.

like young fans that grew up on Harry Potter are now ready for SERIOUS fantasy ie rape and boobs and beheadings and shit

Back in the seventies and eighties we only had Gor.

it is generally a pretty orwellian use of the word "adult"

i dunno i'd rather just read about actual medieval history, that shit is way more dark and fascinating than any contrived swords n' sorcery claptrap.

Back in the seventies and eighties we only had Gor.

did people not take Conan seriously

i dunno i'd rather just read about actual medieval history,

yeah me too. I watched the first two seasons of GoT and they were okay, I didn't particularly care about anyone involved and it just seemed like it was going to be an endless slog of power struggles requiring no real resolution. also boobs.

i just wish he were more into the english civil war than the wars of the roses

also kinda annoyed me that it's not really *about* anything...? like it has no thematic structure, it's just a bunch of shit that happens via quest for power. You could say that Sopranos is about family, or the nature of evil, or late-period capitalism; Breaking Bad is about nihilism/the death wish; Mad Men is about the social transformations of the sixties, American capitalism, etc. GoT is about nothing afaict.

and that's why

GoT = secretly Seinfeld

Misunderstandings leading to extreme consequences; many plots would not work if there were cell phones.

Abusive power-mad dictators handing out scraps to underlings who fight for them.

Sex, in various combinations.

etc. etc.

those are plot mechanics, not underlying themes

I would take this to the GoT thread but everyone would just be yelling at me to read the books/watch s3, I suspect

i wish more ppl talked about the english civil war. learning about it was kinda my biggest revelation as a history major, i literally can't remember ever hearing about it in any history class i'd ever taken before college.

I remember learning about Cromwell and the Roundheads, we probably spent a week on it in AP English or something iirc

er AP History that is

those are plot mechanics, not underlying themes

Seinfeld is rather famously a show about nothing, he said, explaining the joke.