Alien - as classic as classic gets?/POO

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as opposed to really bad men in suits. is Kevin Peter Hall actually going to be in it? i hope so

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:52 (twenty years ago) link

Alien best.

Aliens spoilt by resemblances of formerly unheimlich creatures to, variously, men in (ill-fitting) suits and finger puppets, with distracting tendency to emit angry rhino noises when squished (and they're far too easily squished).

Alien 3, 2nd best, valiantly fatalist (as with the 3rd Terminator film. Is this a trend? Does American Pie 3, also, reassert the universal ascendancy of some mad demiurge's implacable design?).

Alien Resurrection spoilt by unwarranted introduction of French visual humour.

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

that's what I'm saying! if not spoilt then at least weirdened

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 19 September 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

poppycock. That's what made it good. And I'm almost certain AvP will have humans too, marines or not. They need Faces to identify with.

Dan I., Friday, 19 September 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

I liked 'earth girls are easy'. did they make sequels to that? prequels, maybe?

RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 September 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

if alien vs. predator doesn't have humans in it that might be good! or completely unwatchable!

it also might be my favourite movie ever in any case

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 19 September 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

Finally, found out some more information on the overall new DVD set/release:

http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=2224

I'm all for the huge slew of extra features on the first two, hope these all get released individually...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

the trailer seemed to have a brief clip of the Ripley/Dallas sequence when she finds and kills him after he's been cocooned

And rewatching it -- yes, it's in there. My reservations about this interrupting the feeling of the final half hour remains, but I guess we'll find out when it gets released.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 04:54 (twenty years ago) link

A problem with Resurrection is the way in which it passes over the delivery of the host humans to the corporation (a recapitulation of the central motor & pivot of the plot in the 1st 2 films).

Normally in an American film you'd expect to see ALL those responsible suffer fates and/or condemnation DIRECTLY correlative and dramatically commensurate to the crime, but in AR that's restricted to Brad Dourif & co.

We aren't supposed to mind, or bear in mind, the involvement of the outlaws in the deal (no they won't have known exactly what Brad was going to do with their "cargo", but so what?). The film assumes it can force us to view them as morally neutral, ie. outlaws = worthy subjects for audience identification, Brad & co = fully deserving of ghastly fates.

Indifference towards cause and effect (and affect) like that might be OK (and commonplace) in bande desinee, but in a film with pretensions towards narrative cohesion it jars heavily.

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Friday, 19 September 2003 06:34 (twenty years ago) link

So? The prisoners from A3 weren't exactly the most likable bunch.

Dan I., Friday, 19 September 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

i love them!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:22 (twenty years ago) link

AR is annoying precisely because it's so careless with what makes the other films compelling, ie. the conversion of humans into mere hosts & receptacles, their physical fixities co-opted - bought and sold by the corporation, and annexed by the alien.

I'd forgotten about the attempted rape scene in 3, which indeed aligns the inmates (Compo, Foggy, Clegg etc) with the aliens (as would-be violators of Ripley, as also with Ash's attack on her in the first film). No, not likeable AT ALL, but the film itself realises this - the attempted rape is yet another (alien-like, corporation-like) assault on her physical integrity, and it under-writes the pessimism of the whole.

In AR of course Ripley isn't "human", or vulnerable, any more, and in general the human/alien host/parasite oppositions, & consequent potential for interesting intersections, are thinned out.

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:45 (twenty years ago) link

I may just be paraphrasing David Thomson's book on the Alien films, by the way, which I might remember better than I think I do.

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:49 (twenty years ago) link

"conversion of humans into mere hosts & receptacles..." - this ceased to be the driving concern halfway thru the first sequel though (and not unwisely, either, i don't think: once the creature's life-cycle is revealed in Aliens, the paranoid body-snatcher element becomes way less scary than the creatures themselves) - i like it that they dropped it altogether for the 4th one in favor of something else

i like all of them too. Ripley + the Alien may be the closest thing we have to the great genre-hopping duos of oldentimes - any major dude will tell you:

alien - inv of the body snatchers
aliens - hell is for heroes/the searchers
alien3 - riot in cell block 11
res - mommie dearest

jones (actual), Friday, 19 September 2003 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

what about _All About Eve_?

Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 19 September 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

on the road to YOUR FACE!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 19 September 2003 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

actually joss whedon sez Res - the Poseidon Adventure. he also maintains jeunet & co. butchered it completely :(

(i remember hearing a rumor that jeunet's original design concept included weird wooden spaceships!!!)

jones (actual), Friday, 19 September 2003 23:00 (twenty years ago) link

(also in whedon's first draft the baby tried to have sex with ripley!)

jones (actual), Friday, 19 September 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

and you thought those jaws-within-jaws were heavy, you aint seen SHIT yet!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 19 September 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

Four pop-cult memories associated with the movie:

1.) I find it hilarious that John Hurt, perpetual sufferer in film (Mel Brooks cast him as Jesus in History of the World Part 1), is the one who has the alien burst out of him.

2.) Even better, in the Mad Magazine parody, the head poking out of his stomach was Kermit the Frog.

3.) The Alien comic by (I think?) Walt Simonson was AWESOME.

4.) In my memory, Alien was the last sci-fi movie that obsessed me in that Star Wars/Close Encounters/2001 kind of way.

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

does spaceballs count as an alien sequel?

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

haha the bit in spaceballs where the alien dances w.a straw boater = zenith of human culture

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

doesn't that scene take place in a diner? why?!

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

b/c mel brooks couldn't figure out how to include a group-eating scene otherwise...

plus, it pays off the joke of Barf ordering the special, and then them watching the thing dance.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

Because as mark implies without needing to point out, the zenith of human culture would have to take place at a diner.

That was the first thing I thought of when I said "John Hurt, perpetual sufferer."

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 September 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

(saw, not said. I'm just waking up.)

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 September 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

correction: the weird wooden spaceship rumor was about the 3rd one, not the 4th. Vincent Ward was going to direct it at one point, and his script (from which the prison-cult version was eventually carved out) involved Ripley falling in among monks who lived "on a wooden planet that looked like something out of Hieronymus Bosch, with furnaces and windmills, and no weapons". i'd LOVE to see jeunet's version of that - guess that's why i mixed it up


jones (actual), Saturday, 20 September 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

I think they eventually made that version into a comic.

Dan I., Saturday, 20 September 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link

the wooden bosch planet was in my dream last night!!!

jones (actual), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

(it looked very half-assed and lame)

jones (actual), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
REVIVE!

http://skeletonart.com/images/Art/334-Strange01-400.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 November 2003 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

Sometimes I think this is my favourite book about film.
http://www.alienscollection.com/quartet.jpg

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 1 November 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Alien for the first time last week, and proves once again that I shouldn't watch scary movies.

Leee (Leee), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:54 (twenty years ago) link

Come now, Leee, don't fret. Have some of this corn bread. You might get an upset stomach, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

Is this not getting a wide release, or do my local theaters just suck?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:17 (twenty years ago) link

Am I the only person who adores that Alien-doing-a-bong-hit painting?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:24 (twenty years ago) link

Cross post spoiler:

I'm quite curious to see the Director's Cut. Is it radically different?
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 26th, 2003.


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Couldn't say, since I didn't see the first version. I assume the big dance number with Madeline Kahn and Burt Reynolds was in the original?
-- Skottie (n...), October 26th, 2003.


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No, it was pulled because RS was worried it'd be too scary for family audiences.
-- s1utsky

Skottie, Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:27 (twenty years ago) link

I assume the big dance number with Madeline Kahn and Burt Reynolds was in the original?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That made my night.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:30 (twenty years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000VCZK2.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Nine discs. Three billion hours of bonus material, including featurettes, screen tests, production artwork, interviews, and way more. All in a tidy little case. It's beauuuuutiful.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

Is "Quadrilogy" a real word?

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

If the marketers say it is, it is. I'll content myself with eventually getting the first two movies on separate sale (assuming they do go on separate sale).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

That's what I was thinking. glad I didn't buy them in the "old editions."

DVDS ARE A SCAM

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

I've pre-ordered the "Quadrilogy". Release dates are as follows:

Region 1 - 2 December.
Region 2 (UK) - 8 December.
Region 4 (Australia) - 10 December.

All the sets are identical.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

glad I didn't buy them in the "old editions."

I picked up both, but used and some time back. So I'm content to rebuy in this case.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

How do the extras compare on the two editions?

s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

I'll have to get the box set - I need 1,2 and 4, and if three is a director's cut, maybe it will be better.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 14 November 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link

isn't it usually a tetralogy?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

The Alien films will also be released individually on January 6th (Region 1). Please note the 9th disc full of bonus features is exclusive to the quadrilogy set.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

*checks specs* Mmmm...I'll just have to steal that. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

I can't help thinking that a quadrilogy should be about dancing.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

"you need a WHATomorph suit by tomorrow morning?"

StanM, Sunday, 24 March 2019 06:19 (five years ago) link

max fischer would be proud

i'm w/ tato, super hot AND weird!! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 March 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link

ten months pass...

I thought "Memory: Origins of Alien" was a really good doc. A bit of making-of/background (some of which was new to me), but it's mostly a lot of smart What It All Means discussion.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Memory: Origins of Alien on channel 4 now, I'm half way through. Seems to have a fair bit of interview footage from previous docs, still I'm always there for the story of the meeting of minds of o'bannon & giger & scott, especially the victory snatched from the jaws of defeat of giger being let go, then rehired by scott. Didn't know the comic book forebears of the script. I'm finding the 'what it all means' guy a wee bit much maybe I'm not against all that.

ledge, Sunday, 5 September 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link

... but I'm not against all that.

ledge, Sunday, 5 September 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link

A bit weird in the end, a mix of "making of" and "meaning of" but after they go all in on the chestburster scene it just ends, so nothing about the actual full size creature; I think there was one single mention of cobb, none of foss or moebius, excepting a brief shot of a moebius comic in o'bannon's archive.

ledge, Sunday, 5 September 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link


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