― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:52 (twenty years ago) link
Aliens spoilt by resemblances of formerly unheimlich creatures to, variously, men in (ill-fitting) suits and finger puppets, with distracting tendency to emit angry rhino noises when squished (and they're far too easily squished).
Alien 3, 2nd best, valiantly fatalist (as with the 3rd Terminator film. Is this a trend? Does American Pie 3, also, reassert the universal ascendancy of some mad demiurge's implacable design?).
Alien Resurrection spoilt by unwarranted introduction of French visual humour.
― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Thursday, 18 September 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 19 September 2003 00:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I., Friday, 19 September 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 September 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link
it also might be my favourite movie ever in any case
― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 19 September 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=2224
I'm all for the huge slew of extra features on the first two, hope these all get released individually...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 04:40 (twenty years ago) link
And rewatching it -- yes, it's in there. My reservations about this interrupting the feeling of the final half hour remains, but I guess we'll find out when it gets released.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 04:54 (twenty years ago) link
Normally in an American film you'd expect to see ALL those responsible suffer fates and/or condemnation DIRECTLY correlative and dramatically commensurate to the crime, but in AR that's restricted to Brad Dourif & co.
We aren't supposed to mind, or bear in mind, the involvement of the outlaws in the deal (no they won't have known exactly what Brad was going to do with their "cargo", but so what?). The film assumes it can force us to view them as morally neutral, ie. outlaws = worthy subjects for audience identification, Brad & co = fully deserving of ghastly fates.
Indifference towards cause and effect (and affect) like that might be OK (and commonplace) in bande desinee, but in a film with pretensions towards narrative cohesion it jars heavily.
― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Friday, 19 September 2003 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I., Friday, 19 September 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:22 (twenty years ago) link
I'd forgotten about the attempted rape scene in 3, which indeed aligns the inmates (Compo, Foggy, Clegg etc) with the aliens (as would-be violators of Ripley, as also with Ash's attack on her in the first film). No, not likeable AT ALL, but the film itself realises this - the attempted rape is yet another (alien-like, corporation-like) assault on her physical integrity, and it under-writes the pessimism of the whole.
In AR of course Ripley isn't "human", or vulnerable, any more, and in general the human/alien host/parasite oppositions, & consequent potential for interesting intersections, are thinned out.
― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Friday, 19 September 2003 08:49 (twenty years ago) link
i like all of them too. Ripley + the Alien may be the closest thing we have to the great genre-hopping duos of oldentimes - any major dude will tell you:
alien - inv of the body snatchersaliens - hell is for heroes/the searchersalien3 - riot in cell block 11res - mommie dearest
― jones (actual), Friday, 19 September 2003 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 19 September 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 19 September 2003 22:20 (twenty years ago) link
(i remember hearing a rumor that jeunet's original design concept included weird wooden spaceships!!!)
― jones (actual), Friday, 19 September 2003 23:00 (twenty years ago) link
― jones (actual), Friday, 19 September 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 19 September 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link
1.) I find it hilarious that John Hurt, perpetual sufferer in film (Mel Brooks cast him as Jesus in History of the World Part 1), is the one who has the alien burst out of him.
2.) Even better, in the Mad Magazine parody, the head poking out of his stomach was Kermit the Frog.
3.) The Alien comic by (I think?) Walt Simonson was AWESOME.
4.) In my memory, Alien was the last sci-fi movie that obsessed me in that Star Wars/Close Encounters/2001 kind of way.
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:45 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link
plus, it pays off the joke of Barf ordering the special, and then them watching the thing dance.
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link
That was the first thing I thought of when I said "John Hurt, perpetual sufferer."
― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 September 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link
― jones (actual), Saturday, 20 September 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I., Saturday, 20 September 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link
― jones (actual), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:25 (twenty years ago) link
― jones (actual), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link
http://skeletonart.com/images/Art/334-Strange01-400.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 November 2003 02:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 1 November 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee (Leee), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 November 2003 05:59 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:24 (twenty years ago) link
I'm quite curious to see the Director's Cut. Is it radically different? -- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 26th, 2003.
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Couldn't say, since I didn't see the first version. I assume the big dance number with Madeline Kahn and Burt Reynolds was in the original? -- Skottie (n...), October 26th, 2003.
No, it was pulled because RS was worried it'd be too scary for family audiences. -- s1utsky
― Skottie, Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:27 (twenty years ago) link
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That made my night.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 November 2003 07:30 (twenty years ago) link
Nine discs. Three billion hours of bonus material, including featurettes, screen tests, production artwork, interviews, and way more. All in a tidy little case. It's beauuuuutiful.
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link
DVDS ARE A SCAM
― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:53 (twenty years ago) link
Region 1 - 2 December.Region 2 (UK) - 8 December.Region 4 (Australia) - 10 December.
All the sets are identical.
― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 14 November 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link
I picked up both, but used and some time back. So I'm content to rebuy in this case.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 14 November 2003 01:22 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 14 November 2003 01:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
Wow:
https://news.avclub.com/this-high-school-drama-club-put-on-a-stage-production-o-1833515613
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 March 2019 04:01 (five years ago) link
"you need a WHATomorph suit by tomorrow morning?"
― StanM, Sunday, 24 March 2019 06:19 (five years ago) link
max fischer would be proud
― i'm w/ tato, super hot AND weird!! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 March 2019 22:18 (five years ago) link
I thought "Memory: Origins of Alien" was a really good doc. A bit of making-of/background (some of which was new to me), but it's mostly a lot of smart What It All Means discussion.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link
Memory: Origins of Alien on channel 4 now, I'm half way through. Seems to have a fair bit of interview footage from previous docs, still I'm always there for the story of the meeting of minds of o'bannon & giger & scott, especially the victory snatched from the jaws of defeat of giger being let go, then rehired by scott. Didn't know the comic book forebears of the script. I'm finding the 'what it all means' guy a wee bit much maybe I'm not against all that.
― ledge, Sunday, 5 September 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link
... but I'm not against all that.
― ledge, Sunday, 5 September 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
A bit weird in the end, a mix of "making of" and "meaning of" but after they go all in on the chestburster scene it just ends, so nothing about the actual full size creature; I think there was one single mention of cobb, none of foss or moebius, excepting a brief shot of a moebius comic in o'bannon's archive.
― ledge, Sunday, 5 September 2021 20:27 (two years ago) link