defend the indefensible: living in florida

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and some of the most grotesque murders ever (a friend was 11 when these happened and she said it widespread panic and terror.)

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearwater has basically been taken over by Scientologist Sea Org people.

big chaki (chaki), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"My family breifly had a condo outside of Tampa. It was going to be where my parents retired to. They quickly found out that they didn't like Florida at all -- the weather was unbearable except in the dead of winter, it was insanely difficult to find a restaurant that wasn't a chain, the insects were terrorizing, and there just didn't seem to be anything to do except wait for the next hurricane, or for death.

The thing which finally made them that Florida was not for them: We were driving down, and we drove through a small town in Northern Florida, and along the Main Street there was a big ol' KKK demonstration. They were standing on the street corners with signs, waving at the passers-by. My stepfather had to quickly talk my mother out of driving directly into the demonstrators.

When we got back home, they put the condo up for sale. "

I don't know how far from Tampa "outside of Tampa" is, but this is mostly bullshit. Yeah Florida is horrible in the summer but winters are horrible up north, and your parents should have realized this before they moved here. There are dozens of excellent nonchain restaurants in Tampa - just drive a little bit up North Armenia and you'll pass at least 20. If insects are a problem screen in your porch/balcony. And as for the old "nothing to do", please - they probably put as much effort into finding "things to do" as they did finding good restaurants. Rural Florida is The South, true, which is why I live in the city.

All the anti-Florida stuff in this thread was just lame. For being supposedly smart hipsters, I'd expect more than some alligator jokes.

florida.person, Friday, 29 October 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

It was, as I recall, about 20 miles north of Tampa. It is hard, even with warning, to be adequately prepared for how miserable Florida is in the summer. I'd take a year-round New York City winter over a week of Florida summer weather. I'm sure there are some perfectly adequate restaurants in Tampa (and I'm suspect there are more now than there were in the late 80s, when this took place). But in the majority of Florida, it was nothing but chain restaurants, many of them buffets. (Florida buffets do not compare favorably to Nevada or even New Jersey buffets.) Our balcony was adequately screened, but it is still nice to walk to the car every once in a great while without being attacked by insects, and in your more humane climates this is possible.

I guess we could have found more things to do. We could have gone to the Dali museum again, or perhaps drive an hour for some dinner theater. At least the lack of interesting things to do, the stiflingly hot weather, and the swarms of insects meant we got to spend some "quality time" together inside our condo.

Oh, also, all the beaches we tried along the Gulf were the pits.

But this is about defending the indefensible, so: Weeki Wachee is fantastic. Although last I heard, it was in danger of being shut down. And there were these egrets who lived in the parking spaces next to ours -- there were three of them, and they were there every time we visited, always in that same parking spot, and they were the greatest thing about the only state in the union that I have no interest in setting foot in ever again.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, also, Key limes are totally overrated.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, you were the first person to mention alligators in this thread. Alligators I feel neutral about.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(Oops, sorry, I take that back about the alligators.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm really fond of alligators. The last apartment complex I lived in had about a 2' gator in the ornamental pond in the middle - I named him Entropy. My parents now live on a man-made lake in Lutz, where they have about a 3' gator. Gators aren't usually a problem unless you pester them, swim with them, or walk dogs next to them.

Actually, the thing I miss most about Florida (other than my parents) is the lizards, snakes and turtles you could see nearly any time. You'd walk by a bush next to the house, and there'd be this great rustling sound of dozens of lizards scurrying for cover!

My parents never had air conditioning the whole time I was growing up. The best we could afford was a large FAN. Today I absolutely cringe at the thought but back then I was fine! Of course, in Seattle I now wear t-shirts in 50-degree weather, when in Florida that temperature would have seen me in MULTIPLE sweaters.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

You'd walk by a bush next to the house, and there'd be this great rustling sound of dozens of lizards scurrying for cover!

for a minute there, i thought that you were referring to FL's governor and his extended family!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

No, 'cause I ***LIKE*** the lizards!!! That lot got elected AFTER I LEFT.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.dragonsfire.com/photos/june2001/florida/gatorland.jpg

where i learned that alligator tastes like chicken

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

florida's great if you're running from the law. same with alaska.

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

My brother moved to Florida (Bradenton) and we are supposed to be going to visit him next year. You all, by and large, aren't making it sound like an appealing trip :)

(xpost with Vicky's lovely photos)

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 30 October 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish my sister and brother in law had moved to Florida, instead of dallas! (no offense to any texans meant)

Vicky (Vicky), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Neil would have rathered that my brother and sister-in-law had moved to Dallas so he could do his Southfork pilgrimage. Vicky, do you want to swap families?

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I would do but it's too late, we;ve booked our tickets for April!

Vicky (Vicky), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Palmetto bugs rule.
Palmetto bugs = euphemism for 3" flying cockroaches

-- Layna Andersen (layn...), October 29th, 2004.

we have these in South Carolina too!

i went to a friend's house once, and he came out of his garage with one on his shoulder. for a second i thought he had one as a pet! i asked him about it and he saw it and was like, "gah!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"for a second i thought he had one as a pet!"

to clarify, for a second i thought it was one of those huge hissing cockroaches they sell at exotic pet stores.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

one of my most vivid memories of the brief time i lived in new orleans was coming home to find one of my walls covered in palmettos (ok not "covered," but there were at least a dozen). it was... kind of gross.

motown modown (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 30 October 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
i spent the weekend in florida. (not the part that was getting dennised.) it is an appalling place, even if you set aside the whole jimmy buffett thing.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 11 July 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I moved there in 1983/1984 thinking it was going to be paradise. It was redneck riviera to say the least. But having moved away over 3 years ago, I do miss a couple aspects...I think of them as oasises'ses.

Season Tix to Diseny = cheap getaway to a land that is well designed and serves real alcohol. Epcot especially. Like an 82 world's fair that never went away...although they're slowly destroying it.

St. John's county beaches are pristine and barely discovered. 60's oldies radio sounds so good in that setting.

Classic 80's Miami Bass, of course.

Listening to my beloved Brazilian pop/jazz makes more sense driving down A1A than it does sitting in my shoebox apartment here in NYC.

And needless to say, in 20 years, I made a number of really smart really good friends, but it's pulling teeth to find those people.

Destroy the rest, which is an assload.

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 24 July 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to Sarasota on Wednesday, flying for the first time with two children. Florida can be fun if you put on your bemused anthropologist hat. I'm going for the same reason I suppose many people go - to visit my grandma. I am going to try to pack lightly, but pack for ice-cold air conditioning, thunderstorms/rain, unbearable heat and two small children who get food all over themselves. I kind of like going to the Ringling Museum of Art. My grandma has a pool. She's nearly 90. Mostly she'll just watch my kids being cute on her plush carpet.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

there are 2 universities in florida with programs in underwater archaeology. that's twice as many as in any other state, unless you count rhode island (one school with an actual program, one school with a couple courses).

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

how did that creepy planned community work out? Celebration or some such?

timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd take Florida over New York. Chicago. And anyone who wouldn't take Florida over Texas is a goddamn moron. Texas is teh suck. Only place in the US I'd take over Florida is Hawaii. But my bias is clear-- give me palm trees and sandy beaches in a place that isn't California and I'm there.

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

it looks like a penis.


Will (will), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

They be making tadpoles the size of Mercuries in Florida.

Alicia Silverfuck (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

So am I the only ILXer who lives in South Florida? The heat is appalling at present, but at least we have an ocean breeze. What we don't have are decent bookstores and record stores.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

My main problem with the bulk of Florida is rednecks and raver-too-lates, which have been consolidated within the past 10 years.

When I worked for an insurance brokerage in north florida about 4 years ago, the salesmen insisted on telling me what I could do for their "clonce". It took nearly a month for me to figure out they were talking about their "clients".

Floridud.

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

BRITBABE

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

That trip to Bradenton I mentioned upthread almost two years ago hasn't happened yet. Pencilled in for early next year. Though my brother and his wife may well have left Florida by then, so we may never go.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

how did that creepy planned community work out? Celebration or some such?

I did become very curious about this so I took a drive into it one day. Very creepy to say the least. Twighlight Zone-ish.

Can you imagine being 14 and telling people at school "i live in celebration". Pretty in Pink part II.

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

how did that creepy planned community work out? Celebration or some such?

I went to college with a guy from Celebration. Just as weird as you might expect -- never wanted to talk about it.


I used to loathe Florida until I went on a 5-day canoe trip through the 'Glades and up the western coast. Fan-fucking-tastic. Nowhere in Cali feels as tropical, in my experience (ie - muggy).

gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

rednecks and raver-too-lates

Heh. South Florida is NOTHING like this. More like Hispanics and indie-too-lates.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred, lfam is from Miami.

Also, about the bookstores: where in S. Florida do you live? Cuz "Books & Books" or whatever it's called-- that is a totally great bookstore. Everything that a corporate bookstore should be (as in a vast selection of everything including an entire room of art/architecture/poetry), but not corporate. And their sandwiches are killer.

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Central and South Florida are still both hotbeds for the so-called Electro-Breaks scene, which I define as raver-too-late. This atmosphere clouds my Miami Bass History work as many of the old Bass artists have moved onto breaks and new school fans treat Miami Bass with tokenism.

One of the places they like to loiter is:

http://www.electroalliance.net/

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, about the bookstores: where in S. Florida do you live? Cuz "Books & Books" or whatever it's called-- that is a totally great bookstore. Everything that a corporate bookstore should be (as in a vast selection of everything including an entire room of art/architecture/poetry), but not corporate. And their sandwiches are killer

Books & Books is truly the exception -- it is, in fact, the only independent bookstore in South Florida. I worked at B&B's South Beach store for close to three years. On some days I wish I still did.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...
the world is yours

friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

(kudos to hstencil)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/30/jailed.rapevictim.ap/index.html

TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- A college student who told police she had been raped was jailed for two days after officers found an old warrant accusing her of failing to pay restitution for a 2003 theft arrest.

While she was behind bars, a jail worker refused to give her a second dose of the morning-after contraceptive pill because of the worker's religious convictions, the college student's attorney said.

UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

don't forget this cheery story, jon!

http://www.wftv.com/news/6253589/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A Sanford mother says she will never be able to hold her newborn because an Orlando hospital performed a life-altering surgery and, she claims, the hospital refuses to explain why they left her as a multiple amputee.

The woman filed a complaint against Orlando Regional Healthcare Systems, she said, because they won't tell her exactly what happened. The hospital maintains the woman wants to know information that would violate other patients' rights.

Claudia Mejia gave birth eight and a half months ago at Orlando Regional South Seminole. She was transported to Orlando Regional Medical Center in Orlando where her arms and legs were amputated. She was told she had streptococcus, a flesh eating bacteria, and toxic shock syndrome, but no further explanation was given.

The hospital, in a letter, wrote that if she wanted to find out exactly what happened, she would have to sue them.

"I want to know what happened. I went to deliver my baby and I came out like this," Mejia said.

Mejia said after she gave birth to Mathew last spring, she was kept in the hospital with complications. Twelve days after giving birth at Orlando Regional South Seminole hospital, she was transported to Orlando Regional Medical Center where she became a quadruple amputee. Now she can not care for or hold her baby.

"Yeah, I want to pick him up. He wants me to pick him up. I can't. I want to, but I can't," she said. "Woke up from surgery and I had no arms and no legs. No one told me anything. My arms and legs were just gone."

Her 7-year-old son, Jorge, asks his mother over and over what happened to her. Neither she nor her husband has the answer.

"I love her, so I'll always stick with her and take it a day at a time myself," said her husband, Tim Edwards.

The couple wants to know how she caught streptococcus, during labor or after. She doesn't know. She knows she didn't leave the hospital the same.

"And why, I want to know why this happened," she said.

Her attorney, Judy Hyman wrote ORHS a letter saying, according to the Florida statute, "The Patients Right To Know About Adverse Medical Incidents Act," the hospital must give her the records.

"When the statute is named 'Patients Right To Know,' I don't know how it could be clearer," Hyman said.

The hospital's lawyers wrote back, "Ms. Mejia's request may require legal resolution." In other words, according to their interpretation of the law, Mejia has to sue them to get information about herself.

That's the sticking point, the interpretation of the Patients Right To Know act, a constitutional amendment Florida voters passed a little more than a year ago.

Mejia's other attorney, E. Clay Parker, said the hospital is not following the law

"We were forced to file this and ask a judge to interpret the constitutional amendment and do right," Parker said.

Mejia hopes the right thing is done. She said not knowing exactly why it happened is unbearable. She only hopes she'll be able to soon answer her little boy's question, 'What happened?'

"He told me everyday, 'What happened,' and I don't have any answers for that," she said.

ORMC said Mejia is requesting information on if there were other patients or someone on her floor with the streptococcus. They said, if they release that to her, that would be a violation of other patients' rights.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

God, we could start a Florida Sucks blog

UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.miami.com

friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 1 February 2007 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
My cousin just moved to Florida this week, to Fort Myers. Never been down there before but thinking about going down for a week or so. What happens in Fort Myers? Also he said some shit about locals calling it Pakistan?

maricopa john, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I grew up nearby. Literally nothing happens in Fort Myers.

Having lived in Florida for almost two decades, I can say the only positive things are the weather, theme parks, seafood, oranges and the cars that go booooom.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally made that trip to see my brother and family. Cannot agree more with those upthread who wish to destroy palmetto bugs and fire ants, ow ow ow ow ow.

Things I liked: wildlife (massive variety of birds, alligators - from a distance!, turtles, manatees, lizards etc etc), Everglades City (special extra mention here for dolphins - we took a boat trip and saw so many), the bit up north of Tampa which had some non-flat scenery (road from Dade City to Clermont), downtown Sarasota, Woody's BBQ in Bradenton, the weather, Anna Maria Island, Universal Studios/Islands of Adventure (we didn't do Disney), the fact you have a highway called Alligator Alley.

Things I didn't like: big-ass thunderstorms. Hotels full of screaming spring-breakers. The ubiquity of Jimmy Buffet. Every local radio station playing Phil Collins all the fucking time (this may not be unique to Florida, I realise, but it was REALLY ANNOYING on road trips).

We had spring training baseball explained to us by lots of people who then wouldn't take us. Bah.

Celebration is one whole weirdy world of WTFness.

ailsa, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't even know how California can call those things "oranges," btw

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus, the story about that woman is so horrifying!!!!!

s1ocki, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw a picture of 1000 people lining up to fill in 35 job positions to be a firefighter in Miami on an NYT from last week. oy.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 9 February 2009 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Those who would sacrifice culture for weather deserve neither.

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Monday, 9 February 2009 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...
one year passes...

Yeah, Florida will never run out of invasive species to hunt.

love is how's life tonight (how's life), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link

usually they're called the sick and elderly.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

Good news for Floridians: significantly less toilet iguanas in your future
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/22/toilet-invading-iguanas-invasive-species-banned-florida

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 13:15 (three years ago) link


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