i can see both sides of the "should bert & ernie be appropriated like this" coin enough that what really annoys me about the new yorker cover is that a) they're admiring a shot of the ENTIRE supreme court and b) that the appropriating is being done by the new yorker
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:05 (ten years ago) link
I realize it's not totally my place to say, but this ultimately comes off as another Thing To Be Vaguely Outraged About On The Internet
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:07 (ten years ago) link
i.e. blog fodder
blfodder, as you say
― BIG HOOS aka the denigrated boogeyman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
imo the cartoon character (or puppet) that will retroactively be written as a "gay character" will probably be Bart Simpson, not Bert and Ernie
― Cunga, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link
Like, a liberal, pro-gay rights publication celebrated a victory for gay rights with a humorous cover that may have been just like a hair off in tone and allegedly perpetuates a stereotype of gay people that almost no one, especially liberals, really has.
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
that people still get their news from network TV in 2013?
― Cunga, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
btw, you know who else codes as gay to me? that Neil Patrick Harris fella
― Cunga, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
what really annoys me about the new yorker cover is that a) they're admiring a shot of the ENTIRE supreme court
That aspect hadn't quite occurred to me, but I do find it weird that they're looking at a still photo superimposed on a TV screen.
― Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link
what do you mean?
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
getting pretty deep into objections to an illustration of sesame street characters at this point, does anybody have issues with the decor, model of tv
― daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link
just wait for my forthcoming gawker piece addressing exactly that
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:35 (ten years ago) link
OK, I have no evidence that it's a still photo per se. But it seems like an image that would be unlikely to appear on a TV screen except as a small graphic in the corner of the screen in a news broadcast. (Obviously, it was chosen as a symbol to communicate in the easiest possible manner what the illustration is about.)
― Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:45 (ten years ago) link
cancelling my subscription
― daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link
Jesus Christ you guys
― copter (waterface), Friday, 28 June 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link
wait since this is the new yorker thread are people annoyed that people are annoyed with the cover just defensive readers?
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
my interpretation of the cover is that bert and ernie are anti-gay bigots. this is why they're holding onto each other in the dark, retreating from "the light" of the frightening new world that doesn't discriminate quite so much and which they don't understand. they are watching a dvd that contains a slide show of supreme court images because they no longer understand how to have fun.
― Z S, Friday, 28 June 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
lololol
― Cunga, Friday, 28 June 2013 20:32 (ten years ago) link
Check out the comment section on the New Yorker page for a whole lot more of people taking this kinda funny, kinda sweet image way too seriously.
― The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:34 (ten years ago) link
the inside cover is the same shot from the other side, and ernie and bert have the faces of roberts and scalia
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:36 (ten years ago) link
sometimes the modern mainstream left feels like a sensitivity contest
Brave is the man who calls out this farce
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 20:50 (ten years ago) link
newsflash: ernie pisses on bert
― well-composed selfie (Matt P), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:51 (ten years ago) link
ernie is kind of twisted
― well-composed selfie (Matt P), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link
Sorry to keep this going, but does anyone else imagine muppet dick would just be a completely featureless felt protrusion?
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:52 (ten years ago) link
theyre old now yes, they go to russian river summers and palm springs winters
― well-composed selfie (Matt P), Friday, 28 June 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link
i guess it didn't occur to freddie they might be sexless because they're on a show for children
― discreet, Friday, 28 June 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
― Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Friday, June 28, 2013 9:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Newsflash: It is not uncommon for things in a CARTOON to be not exactly like they would appear in real life (if "tv screen" can count as real life in the first place).
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 28 June 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
Offense to gay community is deeply felt
― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 June 2013 21:33 (ten years ago) link
I *get* that, it's just a weird thing when you think about it: they're looking at a photo of the Supreme Court justices? This image might work better:http://newnownext.mtvnimages.com/2013/03/supreme-court-gay-marriage.jpg
― Murder in the Rue McClanahan (jaymc), Friday, 28 June 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link
(Though you might have to make it more clear that that's the Supreme Court building.)
I think Bert and Ernie were used to represent the rainbow colors in the cartoon. Grey vs color, the rainbow colors being shown by Bert and Ernie.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:10 (ten years ago) link
lmao
― discreet, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:11 (ten years ago) link
I don't think it's odd it depicts a portrait of the whole of the SCOTUS tbh. Reducing this (to a cartoon) noone thinks of "5 to 4 SC outcome". No, the headlines are: SC offs NOMA. SC is the people portrayed on the telly. Makes perfect sense to me.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:12 (ten years ago) link
it's not that people are looking for a reason to be offended, they're looking to explain why they find the cover cutesy and trite. and it shouldn't be hard to understand why some people might be particularly offended by a cutesy, trite cover concerning this subject.
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:12 (ten years ago) link
I'm Ernie btw
xp
i think this cover is kinda great
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 June 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link
it's not that people are looking for a reason to be offended
― da croupier, Saturday, June 29, 2013 12:12 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You think this person isn't looking for a reason to be offended?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link
that person is looking to attract pageviews for slate.com afaict
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 June 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link
otm
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link
i'm referring to the people on this thread and people like tyler coates http://flavorwire.com/401071/the-new-yorkers-bert-and-ernie-doma-cover-is-infantilizing-and-offensive
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:43 (ten years ago) link
also slate is slate
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link
and to be clear, i'm not saying it's wrong to think it's fine and cute and whatevs. but complaining that oversensitive liberals can't take a joke is never a good look.
― da croupier, Friday, 28 June 2013 22:46 (ten years ago) link
Generally I agree. But between "Blurred Lines" and now this, this has felt like the week of people getting upset over absolutely nothing.
― The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Friday, 28 June 2013 23:22 (ten years ago) link
it's the same cutesy & kinda trite sense of humor as every other new yorker cover
― discreet, Saturday, 29 June 2013 01:43 (ten years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/130311_2013_p465.jpg
― discreet, Saturday, 29 June 2013 01:44 (ten years ago) link
This is subtly a perfect distillation of how your average liberal views the Pope: sexless, harmless, inoffensive, childish, silly, and ultimately mere fodder for the condescending entertainment of straight people.
― From the home of the underground railway and stuff (symsymsym), Saturday, 29 June 2013 04:20 (ten years ago) link
i like the new yorker's whimsical covers. "the borowitz report" on the other hand is the least funny thing in the world, not just of comedy things but of all things.
― Treeship, Saturday, 29 June 2013 04:33 (ten years ago) link
article about the iron mine in guinea was kind of the perfect new yorker article
― Lamp, Monday, 1 July 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link
Louis Menand on the Voting Rights Act.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2013 23:56 (ten years ago) link