Nu-Metal re-assesed?

hey turrican remember Apes, Pigs and Spacemen? lolol

Stuck Mojo, ugh. I bought "Rising" not realizing that every song was some inane extreme-far right political masturbation fest. Had the message been lower in the mix and the music been more than just "ok, I coulda dealt with it.

I still have it somewhere, buried at the bottom of a box.

far right???

wow, speaking of Halford, Fight's "WAr of Words" is only 3.99 new on Amazon. THREAD DELIVERS.

"Crooked Figurehead" is an Anti-Clinton song, "Throw the Switch" is a pro-death penalty song....and those are just the two I remember. supposedly they used to lead "Fuck Bill Clinton" chants at concerts too.

and their liner notes on Rising had pro-gun propaganda warning citizens to arm themselves as criminals will fear citizens with guns.

I was the target audience for the stuff at the time and I despised most of it then and still despise most of it now loved it. I think very little of it still holds up (it spoke very directly to 16yo angst, not so much to 29yo angst), but I'll still occasionally listen to a linkin park track, disturbed, even staind, drowning pool, incubus, korn etc

btw guys why did you send us Fun Loving Criminals? They went down well with the britpop & nu-metal crowd WHY????????????????

I heard "In The End" the other day and it sounded way more terrible than I remembered.

I like earlier funky FNM homage Incubus, not as much the "Pardon Me" era.

Fun Loving Criminals aka "Scooby Snacks"? ugh.

the late 90s was utterly, utterly, utterly, utterly awful

The early 90s in comparison looks like the greatest period in modern music

One song I did like at the time was "Mope" by the Bloodhound Gang, but I'm not quite sure if that really falls under the category of Nu-Metal.

heh funny thing about Linkin Park is that I outright HATED them in college, and even though I still don't like them, some of their tunes have grown on me. i.e., "Breaking the Habit" is insanely catchy.

TBH, I think it was Mike Shinoda I hated more than anything. Could they have found a blander MC to rap on their tracks?

remember Econoline Crush?

Im sorry but I have to admit, I was 16/17 at the time, already past the Sonic Youth/Pixies/indie rock thing, and it was so easy to sneer at this stuff, but on the other hand they made it incredibly easy to do so, so fuck em

hey turrican remember Apes, Pigs and Spacemen? lolol

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:20 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, I'd forgotten about them until YOU MENTIONED THEM! Jesus fuckin' christ.

hahahahahaha

our local music scene has never really had any big names, but when nu-metal took off, those bands sprouted up all over town and I went to a show one night where three of these bands were playing. One was ...I forget, the other Grumpy (who looked like Slayer, but played music like Papa Roach), and the last was this complete RATM ape-job who were sponsored by Puma called "Deroot".

About 2 minutes into Grumpy's set, it was plain obvious that they were lip-synching, as the vocalist wasn't mouthing in time, and often wasn't even in front of the microphone (he was too focused on the riffs he was playing...if he was really playing them).

Then Deroot gets up and starts playing their lame shit, and by the last song, the guitarist was fed up with his guitar, and flung it across the stage. Problem was, the guitar riff was still audible over the loudspeaker, and nobody else had a guitar on stage. so apparently they were playing over pre-recorded tracks.

felt like nu-metal inspired so many lazy bands that just figured anybody could do it, so much so that these hard working 'local acts' couldn't even be arsed to actually play their damn music!

remember Clawfinger? they actually pre-dated nu metal by a few years

Always on euro MTV (the days before MTV UK)

TBH, I think it was Mike Shinoda I hated more than anything. Could they have found a blander MC to rap on their tracks?

― Neanderthal, Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:28 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I didn't find this half as offensive as much as other aspects of the band. I remember reading the sleevenotes to Hybrid Theory at a friends house and thinking "for fucks sake, these feel more like a fucking corporation than a band". I just found them incredibly insincere. Packaged angst product. Y'know... "PARENTS! I FUCKING HATE YOU! But here's your name in the thank you part of the liner notes alongside our sponsors".

Well yeah, that's what I hated about most all nu-metal, though; the faux anger, and the lazy means of expressing it. Maybe I just give them somewhat of a pass as I feel like a lot of 90s post-thrash was guilty of the same thing.

There was a couple of UK nu-metal bands but I've completely forgotten their names. Pretty sure one was welsh

I was genuinely surprised how good of a vocalist Chester Bennington was, though. He guested on a Young Buck track of all places ("Slow Ya Roll") and he actually had a pretty amazing voice on the track as he didn't sing in his normal Linkin Park snarl.

some metalheads stanned for Mudvayne. I liked one song, I think, but never was really into them.

ugh

the world really needed a slipknot clone NOT

weren't really nu-metal per se but I'd stan for Stabbing Westward's Whither Blister Burn and Peel, as unoriginal as it was.

Well yeah, that's what I hated about most all nu-metal, though; the faux anger, and the lazy means of expressing it. Maybe I just give them somewhat of a pass as I feel like a lot of 90s post-thrash was guilty of the same thing.

― Neanderthal, Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:39 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, but Linkin Park were more see-through in that regard than most, I think!

Digging into my memory banks here, I think Slipknot's Iowa and System Of A Down's Toxicity were released roughly around the same time. I recall Toxicity being VERY well-received (and deservedly so) and Iowa being quite coolly received. At this point, I remember System Of A Down suddenly becoming bigger than ever (on the back of Toxicity and 'Chop Suey!'), where Slipknot kinda faded into the background a bit. All those kids that were huge Slipknot fans around the time of the self-titled record just suddenly gave up on them.

Um...Iowa was a #1 album in the UK, #3 in the US. It went platinum ~6 weeks after release (street date 8/28, platinum certification 10/10). Toxicity was released one week later, also hit #1 in the US but only hit #13 in the UK. The album that was #1 in the UK the week Toxicity was released? Jamiroquai's A Funk Odyssey. Yay, England.

Also: Linkin Park's guitarists fucking headphones.

xxpost well yeah, I mean "One Step Closer" with its "shut up when I'm talking to you" is a perfect example.

I will admit that I still don't get Slipknot. I was kind of held captive into seeing them last year at Rockstar Mayhem Fest (I was driving and one of the guys in my party liked em so I didn't want to be a dick).

It wasn't horrible, I didn't want to claw my eyes out, but other than thinking some of the visuals were cool and liking some of the percussion, I got bored pretty fast.

plus I hate the lyrics to Surfacing with a passion and when I heard them again I ate three concertgoers

Um...Iowa was a #1 album in the UK, #3 in the US. It went platinum ~6 weeks after release (street date 8/28, platinum certification 10/10). Toxicity was released one week later, also hit #1 in the US but only hit #13 in the UK. The album that was #1 in the UK the week Toxicity was released? Jamiroquai's A Funk Odyssey. Yay, England.

― 誤訳侮辱, Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:43 AM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wasn't talking in those terms. More that Iowa was perceived to be a disappointment, and Toxicity wasn't.

be here now was the fastest selling oasis album but it was still seen as a disappointment

what do static-x, judas priest,bay city rollers, lostprophets have in common?

I don't know anyone who saw Iowa as a disappointment after Slipknot's debut. It was faster, heavier, more aggressive, noisier...it was a growth move in every single way. Now, Vol. 3...that album polarized people. And All Hope is Gone has the perfect title, because that's how about 50 percent of their fan base felt when they heard it.

at lot of these albums got great reviews when released of course

what do static-x, judas priest,bay city rollers, lostprophets have in common?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I see where this is going!

what do static-x, judas priest,bay city rollers, lostprophets have in common?

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post

they all played on Pandora the night j@gger lost his virginity?

xxpost well yeah, I mean "One Step Closer" with its "shut up when I'm talking to you" is a perfect example.

― Neanderthal, Saturday, June 29, 2013 2:44 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A better example is the video. The video opens, they do that stupid little jiggy dance, and then Bennington sings "I cannot take this anymore" with a grin on his face. Yeah, you look pissed off mate!

I hated the "Last REsort" video for similar reasons

now that was a bad song

re-assed is right

now this was a terrible song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-sYWaOrLdI

i've copied my spotify playlist of great nu-metal elsewhere but here it is http://open.spotify.com/user/unbornwhiskey/playlist/7DM4wgAaZRcHn0VbhEiAFC

starting a thread to shit on a subgenre is like *yawn*

just a bit of nostalgic fun for grumpy old people!
DMB threads bring together US ILXors
Britpop threads bring together UK ILXors
Nu-Metal threads bring together the whole of ilx!

the world really needed a slipknot clone NOT

i mean dude mudvayne were not a slipknot clone but whatev

I think I lost brain cells reading this thread.

i could probably go for this if it didnt have the screaming